First Regen Experience

[17 Oaks]

Your statement is completely true, however, there is a huge difference between normal wear, excessive wear and premature failure.
I did not say there would be no wear, I'm saying that normal wear would not be different on a tractor engine that is run at 2000 RPM for 3000 hrs and a tractor engine run at 2800 RPM for 3000 hrs.

Race cars are a completely different story and Jet engines are not an ICE.....

Sorry but you will have increased wear, that is a FACT. The additional 800 rpm for 3000 hrs creates wear, whether or not its normal, excessive or an event that occurs that results in premature failure, wear occurs. A diesel or gas or JP4 burner all have an element of friction the wears on the engine. More RPM, more wear, faster wear, friction is the reason why we don't perpetual motion machines. We can mitigate friction to a certain extent by the application of of various approaches, ball bearings, better tolerances, blueprinting and a host of things to extend the life cycle, all of those can be for naught if a premature event occurs.

To say tractor engines are different, I don't see that, they may and most likely do operate within a difference set of parameters...my John Deere would never run down the Interstate 10 out my my place with its 80 MPH speed limit and my F 350 would never crawl around all day at 5 mph, but that is a product of design, cam profiles, gear sets, cooling, stroke etc etc.

 

[sandman2234]

I still get a kick out of people that think semi trucks don't run wide open for long periods of time, lol.
I get a kick out of johnthomas saying he has "bought 20 new kubotas"...which just makes me wonder what he is doing to them to make them not longer worth keeping! I can completely understand owning that many tractors, because I currently own about that many, but only because I am selling off my old tractor collection, and am down to 20. My latest purchase, a Kubota M7040, which is how I ended up on this orange post, is almost the same size as my John Deere, is large enough to pick up his tractor off the ground with it's FEL. My 6500 pound John Deere, while getting old, still handles the chores assigned it it. I was just looking for a bigger bush hog when I came across the Kubota. Found both, and some more.
Hope all of y'all have a really great time with your tractors, never have any emission problems, and WOT doesn't make it wear out.
David from jax

 

[BX23S-1]

All i see here is opinions, and no proven facts from anyone.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I'm wondering if I got the facts correctly here: You're a mental health counselor, Almost true, I retired a year ago after selling my 21 rental units and that retirement is after retiring from Teaching College and being a Real Estate Broker for several years and working for Uncle Sam and working for the Ky Caterpillar Dealer. Also still do my own Kubota service workadvising dysfunctional people in life-changing decisions True again I did it for the Gvmnt for almost 28 years and privately for about 15 years alnog with other "jobs/activities" being able to multitask and yet you need Steve Barlow to tell you what tractor to buy after purchasing 20 new ones?

I have no shame about taking the advise from someone that has operated, owned and sold thousands of Kubota and other brand tractors for almost as many years as I've been alive and I've owned a few. Yep, I'll always listen to someone with actual hands on experience that also has shown me they are trustworthy.

All i see here is opinions, and no proven facts from anyone.

Finally we agree on something else besides the abilities of the Kubota BX25/23. See how no personal attack of someone you don't personally know seems more appropriate on a tractor forum instead of personal attacks, charges and accusations for which you know nothing other than an "opinion" based on theory with no facts and not saying "you" did this. You have access to all of your posts to see if you strayed from "opinion" to implying that your stating facts and surely nothing "personal". I accept your "opinion" with out "attacking" you personally and not even sure I've said you are "wrong" about anything but that could have been picked up when I said something contrary to your "opinions" or statements of "fact". I have and still do accept actual experience with an actual specific item vs "I heard" or "knew a guy" or have always believed or statements cloaked as factual from someone with no actual experience. Someone stating an experience they had still doesn't mean it applies to all machines but I like considering other peoples experience and "opinions" as long as they state it's an opinion and not based on their actual experience if it isn't. There are thousands of individuals here on TBN that have actual experience with actual tractors but alas, there are also many that troll and spout that don't have the actual experience but lots of "opinions" stated as facts. Now back to the thread titled ......Wait for it......... First Regen Experience

 

[BX23S-1]

John,
ALL forums on the internet are equal, as they ALL contain mostly opinions, and are rarely based on "real data or facts".
I take any forum with a grain of salt. It dosen`t matter if its a tractor, truck, car, or even a firearm forum.
Words from what a wise man once said to me very long ago... never believe anything you read, and only believe half of what you see.

Now back to the re-gen thread... emissions suck, the EPA needs to be less involved on some things.
Climate change has been happening for millions of years, it will continue to change long after we`re gone.
The problem with climate change, is that people are making money off from it, and THAT my friend, will NEVER change.

 

[Ford850]

Speaking of facts vs opinions, what do the newer owners/operators manuals say regarding recommended RPMs? Maybe that is where the division is happening here. Did manufacturers change the manuals to accommodate the newer tier 4 engines? Do they now recommend you run the engines at high RPS to avoid issues? That would certainly be a negative for the newer engines.
I've checked my manuals for pre tier 4 engines and none of them have anything to say regarding how to run the engine, other than break-in periods. For the first 50 hours they say not to run the engine at higher RPMs, some saying mid RPM or lower, for the first 50 hours of use.

 

[BX23S-1]

Speaking of facts vs opinions, what do the newer owners/operators manuals say regarding recommended RPMs? Maybe that is where the division is happening here. Did manufacturers change the manuals to accommodate the newer tier 4 engines? Do they now recommend you run the engines at high RPS to avoid issues? That would certainly be a negative for the newer engines.
I've checked my manuals for pre tier 4 engines and none of them have anything to say regarding how to run the engine, other than break-in periods. For the first 50 hours they say not to run the engine at higher RPMs, some saying mid RPM or lower, for the first 50 hours of use.

GREAT QUESTION...!!!!!
Maybe someone could copy/paste BOTH manuals in here so people can read the difference...!

 

[KennyV]

Regen is for sure not as perfected as it eventually Will be, and I do thank those that are using the existing systems to report on what is working and how there are some rework problems that dealers and manufactures are trying to correct and thus Leading to a more reliable cleaner operating system... We have came a long way from the old single cylinder hit 'n miss engines of the past, progress is generally always improving what we have and How we use it...
...As to the influence of EPA, I for one appreciate any effort put forth to improve the environment we are living in and are leaving for our kids and grandkids to live in...

 

[BX23S-1]

As to the influence of EPA, I for one appreciate any effort put forth to improve the environment we are living in and are leaving for our kids and grandkids to live in...

Kenny,
The EPA has WAY WAYY WAYYY TO MUCH POWER... they are forcing farrrrr to many things down our throats, and there is no stopping them with your kind of thinking. Thats pure dictatorship buddie...! People like YOU that allow all this EPA crap to keep festering, by using the kid & grandkid excuse, shame on you.

The additional employee labor expense (& additional engineering) that companies spend, just to comply with false climate claims, more and more rules and regulations gets passed on down to the customer. In the end, we pay twice what things should actually cost just because of time and money spent on mandated laws against us. Its nothing more than a LIBERAL AGENDA...!!!!

For instance, how much money IS lost to make these tractors comply with these worthless mandated emissions regulations.... and it all got paid for by you.... where does it stop.

Emission`s on a tractor.... just plain simply ridiculous.

 

[BlacknTan]

Hey, I'm all for keeping the environment as clean as possible also, even if it costs me as few dollars more. We must think of future generations! That said, anyone who truly cares about the environment should be looking at the big picture which is never going to be addressed.. And that is limits on population growth. How much longer before this planet will be outstripped of it's ability to feed the multitudes. Perhaps not in my lifetime, but certainly in that of my grandchildren. And no of our "leaders" even discuss it! More people, more housing, more housing, less farmland, less habitat for wild animals. More power plants to run our hair dryers and coffee makers .. you get the point...

In any case, does anyone remember the automobiles of the 1970's, when government mandated emission controls made cars run worse than they ever had in the past? Vehicles would not shut off, run-on from preignition, decel valves, you name it. Technology was not ready for the changes demanded. Today's gasoline engines run better than ever before, and I suppose much cleaner. The same will happens with diesels. The government imposes restrictions that the industry is not prepared for, and wants results NOW, so the manufacturers look for the cheapest, and easiest solutions. The consumers pay for it, as usual!

I'm glad I've got a pre Tier IV tractor, and I'm not one of the folks stuck with cobbled up emission devices. The manufacturers will get it right, and that will be good for all of us, but we're not there yet!

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

John,
ALL forums on the internet are equal, as they ALL contain mostly opinions, and are rarely based on "real data or facts".
I take any forum with a grain of salt. It dosen`t matter if its a tractor, truck, car, or even a firearm forum.
Words from what a wise man once said to me very long ago... never believe anything you read, and only believe half of what you see.

Now back to the re-gen thread... emissions suck, the EPA needs to be less involved on some things.
Climate change has been happening for millions of years, it will continue to change long after we`re gone.
The problem with climate change, is that people are making money off from it, and THAT my friend, will NEVER change.

Speaking of facts vs opinions, what do the newer owners/operators manuals say regarding recommended RPMs? Maybe that is where the division is happening here. Did manufacturers change the manuals to accommodate the newer tier 4 engines? Do they now recommend you run the engines at high RPS to avoid issues? That would certainly be a negative for the newer engines.
I've checked my manuals for pre tier 4 engines and none of them have anything to say regarding how to run the engine, other than break-in periods. For the first 50 hours they say not to run the engine at higher RPMs, some saying mid RPM or lower, for the first 50 hours of use.

GREAT QUESTION...!!!!!
Maybe someone could copy/paste BOTH manuals in here so people can read the difference...!

Kenny,
The EPA has WAY WAYY WAYYY TO MUCH POWER... they are forcing farrrrr to many things down our throats, and there is no stopping them with your kind of thinking. Thats pure dictatorship buddie...! People like YOU that allow all this EPA crap to keep festering, by using the kid & grandkid excuse, shame on you.

The additional employee labor expense (& additional engineering) that companies spend, just to comply with false climate claims, more and more rules and regulations gets passed on down to the customer. In the end, we pay twice what things should actually cost just because of time and money spent on mandated laws against us. Its nothing more than a LIBERAL AGENDA...!!!!

For instance, how much money IS lost to make these tractors comply with these worthless mandated emissions regulations.... and it all got paid for by you.... where does it stop.

Emission`s on a tractor.... just plain simply ridiculous.

Simple thread question...First Regen Experience. How many of the replies address the thread question? NONE. One is sort of related and that was the one who questioned the recommendations of manual to run at high rpms and yes it does which I can answer happening to own one of the aforementioned or supposed to be mentioned machines. How hard is it to let a thread for which you have no valid answer go by and reply to one for which you have actual experience? Been a member for almost one whole month and believe one has an answer to every thread having owning one small tractor? I for one don't appreciate your personal attacks while not having any valid input to the question of the thread. TBN usually doesn't work this way among longer time users. Most of us on TBN develop a degree of respect and avoid personal attacks while not always agreeing with each other. Kennyv has been a member for 13 years and doesn't deserve your (after one month of membership) caustic judgemental accusations for his opinions, right or wrong. They are his to have and express in a non personal statement of his opinion(s).

 

[BlacknTan]

Threads often take on "a life of their own.." it happens on all forums. If the OP is unhappy with the direction the thread has taken, and wants it kept on topic, I can understand and would respect his wishes.. You, however, wish to jam your misguided, and many would say incorrect, opinions down our collective throats. Gaining respect entails giving respect...

I don't see "Moderator" under your name, so why not put a sock in it...

 

[BX23S-1]

Simple thread question...First Regen Experience. How many of the replies address the thread question? NONE. One is sort of related and that was the one who questioned the recommendations of manual to run at high rpms and yes it does which I can answer happening to own one of the aforementioned or supposed to be mentioned machines. How hard is it to let a thread for which you have no valid answer go by and reply to one for which you have actual experience? Been a member for almost one whole month and believe one has an answer to every thread having owning one small tractor? I for one don't appreciate your personal attacks while not having any valid input to the question of the thread. TBN usually doesn't work this way among longer time users. Most of us on TBN develop a degree of respect and avoid personal attacks while not always agreeing with each other. Kennyv has been a member for 13 years and doesn't deserve your (after one month of membership) caustic judgemental accusations for his opinions, right or wrong. They are his to have and express in a non personal statement of his opinion(s).

And i am entitled to my statements AND opinions too dude.
If your gonna wave a steak in front of a dog, you might wanna be prepared for that dog to attack the steak.

Let me sum it up for you... if a person makes a statement, its fair game for anyone to comment how they wish on it.

Thats life buddie, any way you look at it. Now go re-gen yourself and chill out.

 

[BX23S-1]

Threads often take on "a life of their own.." it happens on all forums. If the OP is unhappy with the direction the thread has taken, and wants it kept on topic, I can understand and would respect his wishes.. You, however, wish to jam your misguided, and many would say incorrect, opinions down our collective throats. Gaining respect entails giving respect...

I don't see "Moderator" under your name, so why not put a sock in it...

Well said...!

 

[sandman2234]

Simple thread question...First Regen Experience. How many of the replies address the thread question? NONE. One is sort of related and that was the one who questioned the recommendations of manual to run at high rpms and yes it does which I can answer happening to own one of the aforementioned or supposed to be mentioned machines. How hard is it to let a thread for which you have no valid answer go by and reply to one for which you have actual experience? Been a member for almost one whole month and believe one has an answer to every thread having owning one small tractor? I for one don't appreciate your personal attacks while not having any valid input to the question of the thread. TBN usually doesn't work this way among longer time users. Most of us on TBN develop a degree of respect and avoid personal attacks while not always agreeing with each other. Kennyv has been a member for 13 years and doesn't deserve your (after one month of membership) caustic judgemental accusations for his opinions, right or wrong. They are his to have and express in a non personal statement of his opinion(s).

If you go back and read page one, johnthomas was the first person to go off on a tangent about something other than regeneration or things that pertain to that subject. He wanted to brag that he has owned over 20 Kubota tractors, which most of them did not have the regen system on them. Then he proceeded to tell everyone that my almost ten years of having to deal with regen systems on trucks (regen being the subject) has nothing to do with the original post and that I was on the wrong forum.
I hope he decides to tone down his attitude and if somebody posts something that he doesn't like, skip it, (per his advice) and go find something else to read about.
David from jax

 

[vvanders]

Simple thread question...First Regen Experience. How many of the replies address the thread question? NONE. One is sort of related and that was the one who questioned the recommendations of manual to run at high rpms and yes it does which I can answer happening to own one of the aforementioned or supposed to be mentioned machines. How hard is it to let a thread for which you have no valid answer go by and reply to one for which you have actual experience? Been a member for almost one whole month and believe one has an answer to every thread having owning one small tractor? I for one don't appreciate your personal attacks while not having any valid input to the question of the thread. TBN usually doesn't work this way among longer time users. Most of us on TBN develop a degree of respect and avoid personal attacks while not always agreeing with each other. Kennyv has been a member for 13 years and doesn't deserve your (after one month of membership) caustic judgemental accusations for his opinions, right or wrong. They are his to have and express in a non personal statement of his opinion(s).

You made the mistake of bringing up a topic on emissions, we've did that over on the EV thread 60 pages ago and still can't manage to get it back on the rails :laughing:.

 

[KennyV]

The OP was just a mention that a first regen for him was a no event, everything went smooth.
It is after other comments questioning the worth of diesel particulate filtration in general...
I have no interest in discussing merits of clean air with science deniers.
Too many folks seem to feel they should have opinions on things they have little if any experience with.
I do not own a Kubota tractor with DEF, that may change, I do however have that system on heavy equipment, and exactly like taking lead out of gasoline in the 70's we are taking as much pollution out of our diesel fuels as we can.
It didn't happen over night in the 70's and it took Many years of engineering before we came close to getting gasoline engines close to right. With every new generation of gas engines there are improvements, most are the results of mandated change, if you look at the 'excuses' why we shouldn't have removed lead you will see it is the same kind of 'argument' offered today about diesel particulates... The only way we collectively will do anything to improve the future is if we are forced to do it.
I may as well also state the obvious, I also appreciate hearing first hand experience and few on this board have had the experience of actually owning And operating some 20 different models of my favorite tractor brand,Kubota.
I enjoyhearing about new experiences, new tractors, and helping with occasional problems when I am able. There are some that also like drama in these forums, I don't much care for it and have appreciated the owner of this forum doing his best to keep it out... For those in this thread simply looking to 'stir the pot', myself, I wish you would find another place to do it.
And for the OP thank you for stating your actual experience with your First Kubota Regen. KennyV

 

[MHarryE]

I traded my M135GX after four years and did have a DPF replacement. Turbo seals failed and pumped oil through the DPF. Kubota said they didn't want me having an early filter failure resulting from the oil so they replaced both the turbo and DPF under warranty. Other than that there were no unusual events. I traded it on a M7 and now have both DPF and DEF. nothing wrong with the M135GX but I needed the additional power, weight, and larger tire size available.

I also bought a L6060 last October and love it compared to the L5740 I traded. Regens have been like the M135 - if it wasn't for the flashing lights I wouldn't know it was doing a regen. It uses about 30% less fuel than the L5740 (I chalk that up to direct injection) and have started it without glow plugs down to 20 degrees. The L5740 needed glow plug heat starting around 45 degrees.

So DPF has been a non-issue for me in 4+ years of Kubota operation. I would not have known the dealer replaced my DPF with the turbo if he hadn't told me. In addition I have a neighbor who traded his M100GX for a M6-131 because he too needed more power and size. Actually his wife traded it for him as a 90th birthday present. When he bought his M100GX at age 85 I thought he might have a problem because on the original Ms a person needed to press the button to enable auto regen rather than the current press to prohibit auto regen. He had no problem - he had about 2500 hours on his M100GX when he traded.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

The OP was just a mention that a first regen for him was a no event, everything went smooth.
It is after other comments questioning the worth of diesel particulate filtration in general...
I have no interest in discussing merits of clean air with science deniers.
Too many folks seem to feel they should have opinions on things they have little if any experience with.
I do not own a Kubota tractor with DEF, that may change, I do however have that system on heavy equipment, and exactly like taking lead out of gasoline in the 70's we are taking as much pollution out of our diesel fuels as we can.
It didn't happen over night in the 70's and it took Many years of engineering before we came close to getting gasoline engines close to right. With every new generation of gas engines there are improvements, most are the results of mandated change, if you look at the 'excuses' why we shouldn't have removed lead you will see it is the same kind of 'argument' offered today about diesel particulates... The only way we collectively will do anything to improve the future is if we are forced to do it.
I may as well also state the obvious, I also appreciate hearing first hand experience and few on this board have had the experience of actually owning And operating some 20 different models of my favorite tractor brand,Kubota.
I enjoyhearing about new experiences, new tractors, and helping with occasional problems when I am able. There are some that also like drama in these forums, I don't much care for it and have appreciated the owner of this forum doing his best to keep it out... For those in this thread simply looking to 'stir the pot', myself, I wish you would find another place to do it.
And for the OP thank you for stating your actual experience with your First Kubota Regen. KennyV

Agree

I traded my M135GX after four years and did have a DPF replacement. Turbo seals failed and pumped oil through the DPF. Kubota said they didn't want me having an early filter failure resulting from the oil so they replaced both the turbo and DPF under warranty. Other than that there were no unusual events. I traded it on a M7 and now have both DPF and DEF. nothing wrong with the M135GX but I needed the additional power, weight, and larger tire size available.

I also bought a L6060 last October and love it compared to the L5740 I traded. Regens have been like the M135 - if it wasn't for the flashing lights I wouldn't know it was doing a regen. It uses about 30% less fuel than the L5740 (I chalk that up to direct injection) and have started it without glow plugs down to 20 degrees. The L5740 needed glow plug heat starting around 45 degrees.

So DPF has been a non-issue for me in 4+ years of Kubota operation. I would not have known the dealer replaced my DPF with the turbo if he hadn't told me. In addition I have a neighbor who traded his M100GX for a M6-131 because he too needed more power and size. Actually his wife traded it for him as a 90th birthday present. When he bought his M100GX at age 85 I thought he might have a problem because on the original Ms a person needed to press the button to enable auto regen rather than the current press to prohibit auto regen. He had no problem - he had about 2500 hours on his M100GX when he traded.

Will be confusing to the haters by telling about your actual experience and 8 years on TBN.

 

[Turbys_1700]

A friend of mine bought an L3301 last year upon my recommendation...
He was concerned with the Regen process...
I advised him to get the tractor he wanted and don't sweat the technology...
Saw him Friday...
A little over 100 hours and a couple of regens...
No problems thus far,,,
He's happy...