Fishtailing trailer simulation

[tcartwri]

 

[Redlands Okie]

Well that's a nice demo.

 

[olPete]

I've seen it a while back, this was a great time to show it to the kids. Boys being boys they are trailer mad, they'll remember that demo.

 

[Bird]

I had not seen that video before but in 1956, when I was 16 years old and driving a 1946 2-door Chevy with a bumper clamp hitch, one job I periodically had was to haul garbage to the dump on a single axle trailer. The first or second time I ever hooked up that trailer, I had 2 barrels sitting near the back of the trailer; negative hitch weight, had to pull the tongue down to hook it up. No problem at 20 mph, but when I moved up to 50 mph, violent fishtailing scared the dickens out of me. I did know better than to hit the brake, just let off the gas and finally got it back under control. But I can tell you that's a lesson that will stay with you the rest of your life.

 

[RobS]

Impressive demo!

 

[tcartwri]

Should be a sticky I think.

 

[olPete]

I had not seen that video before but in 1956, when I was 16 years old and driving a 1946 2-door Chevy with a bumper clamp hitch, one job I periodically had was to haul garbage to the dump on a single axle trailer. The first or second time I ever hooked up that trailer, I had 2 barrels sitting near the back of the trailer; negative hitch weight, had to pull the tongue down to hook it up. No problem at 20 mph, but when I moved up to 50 mph, violent fishtailing scared the dickens out of me. I did know better than to hit the brake, just let off the gas and finally got it back under control. But I can tell you that's a lesson that will stay with you the rest of your life.

I still recall, as a young fella, watching a load of lumber trying to swing us off the road, all the way home. It was so green you could practically hear the birdsong.. and overhanging the rear of the trailer by 5 or 6 feet. I was in the back facing rearward, and it was as vivid as this video. Never will I forget it

 

[Looking4new]

A really good and safe object lesson, without doing it in real life.

 

[civilian]

That demo was played out be myself today. BUT it was not from a misload. Tongue weight as before. Just saw a truck pull out onto the road ahead, and he was fish tailing going up the short hill while accelerating. Me pulling the BX2230 on my 16' tandem axle trailer didn't think much of his situation. Well when I got to that spot, my truck fishtailed sending the trailer fishtailing. Let off the gas, truck settled down, trailer took another swing or two. Getting nervous because of oncoming traffic. They moved onto shoulder, I went past them and straightened out. Someone upstairs was looking out for me. Thank you. Jon

 

[aczlan]

Another:

Aaron Z

 

[aczlan]

And one more (with a Volvo XC90 as the tow vehicle):

Aaron Z

 

[TheGoose]

Years ago I was towing a smalllish tractor on a flat bed trailer. I was only going a few miles, and I had a tail gate to keep the machine on the trailer. I made the mistake of not tying the tractor down very well, I was just going to take it easy. It seems like I did secure it somewhat but apparently not enough. I was going down a long straight country road when my truck began to fish tail. I immediately slowed down. The fish tailing stopped. I kept going but after a little while the truck began to fish tail again, this time even more violently. What happened was that as I was moving the tractor began to inch toward the back of the trailer. Once the weight got on the back end of the trailer it caused me to fishtail once the weight got off my back wheels. After putting on the brakes the tractor would roll forward, stopping the effect. I learned a very valuable lesson without getting hurt. I always make sure to securely tie down anything I'm hauling and make sure the weight is over the wheels.

 

[atsah]

I have seen not enough weight on the tongue so many times it's crazy. More times than not it will be a weekend warrior with a Ford Explorer hooked to a 30 foot loaded camper. I have seen a 3/4 ton pickup pulling 307 cat excavator. Just plain stupid..

 

[allen in texas]

I know this is a bit of an old thread but its a sticky so i think it should be ok to post my stories.
#1. I had a female friend and she and her husband had a suburban and a travel trailer. The suburban was her daily driver and she always complained that it was to big. So she and hubby traded for a nice tahoe. The first trip pulling the trailer it fishtailed and slung them into the ditch and jack knifed, busting out the rear windoes of the brand new tahoe. The were furious and bad mouthed the tahoe. I told her it was not the tahoe, something else was wrong. I went to her house and there sat the trailer with the tongue in the air and the tail on the ground. I asked if this was the way it was when they pulled it with the suburban and she said no, they lost space inside with the tahoe so they made a rack on the rear of the trailer to haul all the extra stuff. And they loaded it down!!!! DUH. Took off the rack, redestributed the stuff, problem solved.
#2 my buddy borrowed my 10 ft single axle trailer. I didnt ask why. He called me awhile later. He was slung off in the ditch. When i got there, i saw that he had shoveled the entire rear half of the trailer full of dirt for a project in his yard. No dirt in the front. Well duh.

 

[tgoodwin]

Everyone who pulls a trailer needs to be aware of the dynamics. Thirty-five years ago, I was pulling a poorly loaded/overloaded trailer behind a Datsun truck on the Interstate. Coming down a relatively gentle mountain pass, the trailer started fishtailing. I eased off the accelerator, avoided the brake, and held the wheel straight, but the trailer was heavier than the truck, and I quickly came to a complete stop, in the fast lane, facing oncoming traffic. It could easily have been a rollover. Fortunately the traffic behind was able to slow down and no one was hurt. I'm shaking even now as I remember that day. Please help others be aware of safe towing procedures. Not everyone will be as lucky as I was that day.

 

[rbtjr]

My wife and I were on an Interstate highway, driving around 65 mph, following a guy in a pickup truck pulling a pretty sizeable enclosed trailer. I noticed his trailer fishtailing a couple of times, mildly, and he got it under control by slowing. The fishtailing seemed to be getting worse the more it occurred. Then on one occasion the fishtailing got violent, got extreme, and ended up throwing his truck off the highway, with truck, trailer and all going down a pretty steep bank. We stopped, along with a lot of others. It turned out that he was carrying an expensive collector car in the enclosed trailer. Needless to say, the car suffered some damage (the driver wasn't injured). I don't know for sure but I'd bet that the car inside the trailer wasn't cinched down in place correctly, worked loose, and moved backwards inside the trailer to the point at which the tongue weight was so light that the fishtailing got increasingly violent. Scary.

 

[MechanicalGuy]

I have seen not enough weight on the tongue so many times it's crazy. More times than not it will be a weekend warrior with a Ford Explorer hooked to a 30 foot loaded camper. I have seen a 3/4 ton pickup pulling 307 cat excavator. Just plain stupid..

Why is this stupid? An f250 has up to a 15k towing capacity. The 307 weighs 18k. Trailer and all it would be overweight, but if that's what you have, it wouldn't be that crazy.

I'm not advocating for it, but it's certainly do-able if you are careful, isn't it?

That said, I bought an f350 for myself.

 

[RandyT]

Why is this stupid? An f250 has up to a 15k towing capacity. The 307 weighs 18k. Trailer and all it would be overweight, but if that's what you have, it wouldn't be that crazy.

I'm not advocating for it, but it's certainly do-able if you are careful, isn't it?

That said, I bought an f350 for myself.

Its not about being careful. You can do everything right and still have things go wrong, like somebody runs a stop sign and T bones you going through the intersection. Now the insurance companies start looking into damage and discover that you were overweight in more than one way, so you have now given them an avenue to deny coverage, and also since they police could be involved they start looking closer and also discover that you are overweight, and if it exceeds 2K overweight non CDL or 1K overweight with a CDL at least in Illinois is an arrestable offense. And also through in the possible scenario that if your rig does excessive damage to other property, you can still be on the hook for those monetary amounts.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

That explains to me why receiver hitches are rated so low for tongue weight. I think the tongue rate on a Category III is something like 500 lbs, maybe a quarter of the structural strength. Maybe it's for stability, not breakage.

Speaking of breakage, I pulled a Bardon bumper off the rear of a '74 Chevy pickup once because the dealer put it on with mild steel bolts that sheared. I replaced the bolts with grade 8, no more problem.

 

[bcp]

More realistic trailer here:

Bruce