Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics

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I used to work with a guy that collected Ford cars and parts. A few years back he passed away from a heart attack. He had two brand new 427 side oilers in crates in his garage. The last I knew he had four or five early 60's (62-64) vintage two door Galaxies stashed away in his barn that were completely restored and in mint condition. I also wondered what ever happened to his cars and other collections. I remember him telling me that he was offered $25,000.00 for one of the motors and that he turned it down. I personally thought he was nuts to refuse that offer. He said that someday the cars and motors were going to be his retirement plan. Too bad he never got to enjoy it the way he had planned. You guys and your old cars are making me go nuts. I wish I still had all the old cars that I use to own. Here's a list of my old toys, four 2 door model 56 Chevy's, 64 Chevy Malibu SS 283 4 speed, 66 Chevy Chevelle SS 396 4 speed convertible, 66 GTO 389 automatic convertible, 61 Dodge automatic convertible, 54 Ford Victoria automatic, 57 Chevy wagon 283 automatic, 57 Caddy 4 door, 57 Caddy Limo, 42 American LaFrance firetruck and an all original 64 Chevy Nova 2 door six banger 3 speed on the column that I am still kicking myself in the arse for selling. So list all your old toys please so I can keep kicking myself for ever getting rid of these cars. Of course it was a matter of money and not enough of it to keep them or a place to to store any of them. I was young and foolish back then and trying to make a living and paying for a new house. Old cars were plentiful and very cheap during the 70's.
 
   / Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics #132  
John,
I don’t get over to this forum often because I can’t seem to fix anything on a vehicle even when you experts tell me how. :( Did want to say how impressed I am with what you are doing with that hoe. What a huge job! I believe if it had been mine; its last job would have been digging a hole to put it in.

The part I can’t get a handle on is how did that thing get so busted up? You mentioned that a neighbor thought it had a run in with an overpass. Have you seen anything during your rebuild that would confirm a big crash somewhere in its life?

I hear metal fatigue mentioned when investigation are done of failures of bridges, planes and such. Does that apply to something like a backhoe over many years?

Great job!

MarkV
 
   / Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics
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MarkV said:
John,
I don’t get over to this forum often because I can’t seem to fix anything on a vehicle even when you experts tell me how. :( Did want to say how impressed I am with what you are doing with that hoe. What a huge job! I believe if it had been mine; its last job would have been digging a hole to put it in.

The part I can’t get a handle on is how did that thing get so busted up? You mentioned that a neighbor thought it had a run in with an overpass. Have you seen anything during your rebuild that would confirm a big crash somewhere in its life?

I hear metal fatigue mentioned when investigation are done of failures of bridges, planes and such. Does that apply to something like a backhoe over many years?

Great job!

MarkV


Good question MarkV.

Having gotten intimate with every nook and cranny on the machine, there are a few things that I have seen. Here's the speculation and thought exercise on what may have happened on a fateful day so many years ago;

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Hoe is on a trailer. It was on forward - backhoe to the back. The boom is up and the two chains between the stabilizer pads and the mounts on the side of the boom are in place. The boom hits the overpass about 1' down from the top. The top of the boom is at 12' 6" in transport position when on the ground. So that would mean the "impact height" was at 14' to 15'.

At impact the top of the boom is cracked.


The impact drives the backhoe backward and downward. The Chain on the right stabilizer is ripped out of the keyhole. {I don't have a picture of that, but the keyhole is ripped out.} That frees the boom to violently swing to the left (drivers left). The boom is forced backward at the same time. The boom lift cylinder does not compress, so mounting ears for that cylinder are snapped off of the swing post.



The boom drops and continues to violently swing to the left. Immense torque is generated in the swing post, it's mount to the box and the hoe to tractor mounts. As the mounts for the tractor to the hoe strain under the load, the metal begins to deform and fail. Welds are popping one by one. Cracks in the 3/8" support straps are forming;



Suddenly, the stress on the mounts is gone. The bottom mount for the swing post on the main box has broken out of the 3/8" steel.



The boom drops again. The top pivot of the swing post breaks





The boom and partially torn free swing post continue to be massively torqued to the left and down. The left swing cylinder is compressed beyond the yielding point. The back cap of the cylinder is driven off of the cylinder breaking it's weldment. The rod mount end is twisted so quickly and powerfully, the 2 1/2" square steel end is ruptured. (You can see the weld repair on the end of the rod at the bottom left. )



There are now cracks in the stabilizer mounts, one stabilizer is bent, the swing post is cracked in more places than Humpty Dumpty, The right side 4pt mount has it's 1" threaded rod snapped off, the box's cross bracing is ripped off of the top right side and bottom left, the box is cracked at the top mounts, the swing cylinders when torqued have deformed the openings they go thru, there is other damage as well.

All of this occurs in less than 1/10 of a second.

The driver, feeling the impact, turns down the radio and asks his passenger, "Dude, did you say something?"

Back at the construction yard, the idiotic driver is reamed out (I can only hope so!) and told he will have to fix the damage. The boss points him to a Lincoln Buzz box. The idiot says that he doesn't know how to weld. The boss tells him it's easy, just remember to never ever remove any of that slag.

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Ok, I have no idea what really happened, but I can document the damage and the fact that an idiot performed the repairs and didn't chip slag.

jb
 
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john_bud said:
The driver, feeling the impact, turns down the radio and asks his passenger, "Dude, did you say something?"

Back at the construction yard, the idiotic driver is reamed out (I can only hope so!) and told he will have to fix the damage. The boss points him to a Lincoln Buzz box. The idiot says that he doesn't know how to weld. The boss tells him it's easy, just remember to never ever remove any of that slag.

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Ok, I have no idea what really happened, but I can document the damage and the fact that an idiot performed the repairs and didn't chip slag.

jb
LOL ... I was enjoying the story... Picturing all events in my mind ...
Especially the slag part. Hahaha.
 
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John, I agree with your scenario after seeing the pictures. It does make sense. The welder should never be allowed to weld again. That first weld was nothing but ******** from a pigeon dropped all over the joint.
 
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oh i dont know... when i look at the boom cylinder mount ears and how they were stuck back on all i can picture is a kid chewing up bubblegum then takeing it between his forefinger and thumb and makeing little round balls to stick the 2 parts back together..:cool:
 
   / Fixing Cracks in a Backhoe - Big ! with pics
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Yippie! A big truck just left 8.1 pounds lighter. Gotta go and try out the new tool!

Pictures to follow.....

jb
 
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post pics of that bad boy, ive seen them in the store and always wondered how they worked/what they did/how effective they were.
 
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schmism said:
post pics of that bad boy, ive seen them in the store and always wondered how they worked/what they did/how effective they were.


Okey Dokey,


Here's the scaler with a quick connect and 6 drops of oil added.


Some before pictures.





And after about 5 minutes of operation, the amount of "stuff" knocked off.



After more operation, the {cough cough} quality {ahem} of the prior welds becomes apparent.






I did a fair amount of scaling and some grinding to get the areas ready to weld. Still had one spot with some hidden spunk . It really changes the sound of the welding from a ZIZZ-sizzle to a muted shhhshhshh. Hard to describe to a computer! Ground it back down and re-welded. Here's what the finished areas look like.




After about an hour of of rattling, the needles have taken a beating. The tips are starting to mushroom. Not horrible, but it was at most an hour of operation at 90-95 psi.


I guess "hardened" means something else in China? Well, on the whole I would say that the tool seems to work pretty well. In some areas, the needles are too big, but if they were much smaller they would be weaker. So, I guess it's a good compromise. I did notice that the needles on the inside of the tool get off kilter and bent a bit. That may be operator error (oops!). The instructions say to start the tool off contact, and if you don't it causes the issue.

Would I still order one again? Yes.

jb
 
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Nice job on the cleaning and welding. It appears the welder has his heat setting too high and was doing some severe burning into the metal. Even if that tool only lasts for this one job, it will have been worth every penny you spent on it.
 

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