Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor

   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #31  
My 23hp 1946 2n pulls a 2-12 just fine... howse must be using some 'metric' hp measurements.. (wink)

Soundguy
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #32  
What is missing here is torque.HP can be made by spinning it faster.Torque does the work. That old long stroke 2N makes some torque,plus the gearing.
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #33  
I love it! Some of these comments, that is. It's as if EVERY plow is the same. EVERY plot of dirt is the same. EVERY tractor is the same. And EVERY operator is the same.

There are plows (brand/design/model) that simply pull easier than others. That's why they're held in such high regard. Jerry mentioned the MF#66. That's an easy pulling mounted plow. So is the Ford 101. Deere plows have historically pulled like someone tossed out the anchor. The primary difference is in the contour of the moldboard and angle of attack of the share. The Howse plows available these days use wear parts that are SUPPOSEDLY copies of the Ford (Pittsburg or Oliver/White built) 101. But the Howse plow pulls considerably harder than that Ford plow.

Plows designed in the 30's and 40's were intended for different speeds than plows of the 50's, 60's, and beyond. High speed in 1940 was 2-1/2 or 3 mph. High speed in 1965 was 5mph+. By the early 1960's, old logic on plowing had changed. It was found that tillage work was more efficient at higher speeds and smaller implement width. (to a point) Plow designs reflected that different thinking.

As plows went along through their evolution, they were used in different conditions. As crop science developed, and yields went up, so did crop residue. Plows had to have more "throat clearance" to handle leftover stalks. That made the plow longer in most cases. And that makes them pull harder.

Plows need to be set right in relation to the ground, and in relation to the tractor. A PROPERLY set up plow involves setting track width on the tractor to suit the plow. Commonly, people try to set the drawbar of the plow to suit the rear wheel track. In order to keep the "draft line" of the plow centered behind the tractor, it's the wheels that need to move and NOT the drawbar in many cases. Plow set-up goes way beyond simply "getting it level". If the plow isn't set right, the tractor has to man-handle the plow. Disregard the draft line being centered, and considerable effort and energy is wasted on trying to keep the tractor in a straight line rather than going forward.

Due to the simple fact that most modern tractors had ZERO engineering for use as a "plow horse", many aren't good candidates for plowing. Most compacts are shorter than the "old school" tractors built years ago. To an extent, the longer the tractor, the better it will handle a plow.

Soils vary considerably. SouNdguy mentioned the Ford adds that pictured old "N"s pulling three bottoms. Most of those old add photos were taken at the Ford Proving Grounds....In Michigan SAND. Try pulling 3X14"s in some of the clay soils around here! You wouldn't get the plow 2" in the ground before you'd run out of power AND traction. In this immediate area, back when "N"'s roamed the farm fields, it wasn't at all UNCOMMON to see them with single bottom 16" plows or at the most, 2X12"'s. Same tractors, just totally different soil conditions.

Some tractors are just better at handling heavy draft loads. Even when set up and ballasted correctly, some just don't do as well as others. A properly designed and adjusted draft control system makes the work easier, but again, some tractors just don't do as well.

And like so many things, there's a LOT more to plowing than what meets the eye. There's nothing like experience. I know a guy who spent a lot of time demonstrating tractors (for John Deere) at farm shows back in the 50's and 60's. He could make a tractor appear to have some extra HP with his technique. You golfers out there.... Ever see a big, strong, strapping young man that looked like he was killing the ball get smoked by an older golfer who simply knew how to drive the ball. It's all about technique.

For anyone who subscribes to the statement that "All men are created equal", You've never seen a group of plowmen in the same field at the same time. There are folks who just simply make it look easy. And there are those who never quite get the hang of it.
 
Last edited:
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #34  
Chances are what is missing is a properly set up plow using proper sharp coulter's, shares and mould boards for the specific conditions encountered.:D

Turning the sod is not dependant on speed but on the mould board design which is different from that used in cultivated soil.

Just to make it easier switch to a drawbar pull plow as they are easier to set up and use than the three point. :D :D

In the area I am famliar with three point plows were the exception. Drawbar pull were the norm.:D :D

And if you do not have tripping shanks them rocks can make for real surprises!
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #35  
This is the plow I'm considering for my light, 44hp, 4wd with R1's. It looks a little better than the Howse and KK plows I've seen but have no idea if it is actually better or not, may even be the same thing. It claims Ford 'style' shares and it does have shear pins.:

Moldboard Plow

Any opinions from the experts?
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #36  
First check that your hitch has enough adjustment for level all around with one wheel in the furrow. Add the coulters and tailwheel.
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #37  
I deffinately agree on the different plows pulling differently. that was one reason i found that 10 1.

Also ditto on the NAA pulling 3 bottoms. i felt that it was highly optomistic on virgin ground.. though possible on well worked soil. For a n though .. the 2 bottom 12/14 or a single 16 is all they will do. If the ground is hardpan or clay.. it's a tough roe to hoe for sure..

soundguy

Farmwithjunk said:
I love it! Some of these comments, that is. It's as if EVERY plow is the same. EVERY plot of dirt is the same. EVERY tractor is the same. And EVERY operator is the same.

There are plows (brand/design/model) that simply pull easier than others. That's why they're held in such high regard. Jerry mentioned the MF#66. That's an easy pulling mounted plow. So is the Ford 101. Deere plows have historically pulled like someone tossed out the anchor. The primary difference is in the contour of the moldboard and angle of attack of the share. The Howse plows available these days use wear parts that are SUPPOSEDLY copies of the Ford (Pittsburg or Oliver/White built) 101. But the Howse plow pulls considerably harder than that Ford plow.

Plows designed in the 30's and 40's were intended for different speeds than plows of the 50's, 60's, and beyond. High speed in 1940 was 2-1/2 or 3 mph. High speed in 1965 was 5mph+. By the early 1960's, old logic on plowing had changed. It was found that tillage work was more efficient at higher speeds and smaller implement width. (to a point) Plow designs reflected that different thinking.

As plows went along through their evolution, they were used in different conditions. As crop science developed, and yields went up, so did crop residue. Plows had to have more "throat clearance" to handle leftover stalks. That made the plow longer in most cases. And that makes them pull harder.

Plows need to be set right in relation to the ground, and in relation to the tractor. A PROPERLY set up plow involves setting track width on the tractor to suit the plow. Commonly, people try to set the drawbar of the plow to suit the rear wheel track. In order to keep the "draft line" of the plow centered behind the tractor, it's the wheels that need to move and NOT the drawbar in many cases. Plow set-up goes way beyond simply "getting it level". If the plow isn't set right, the tractor has to man-handle the plow. Disregard the draft line being centered, and considerable effort and energy is wasted on trying to keep the tractor in a straight line rather than going forward.

Due to the simple fact that most modern tractors had ZERO engineering for use as a "plow horse", many aren't good candidates for plowing. Most compacts are shorter than the "old school" tractors built years ago. To an extent, the longer the tractor, the better it will handle a plow.

Soils vary considerably. SouNdguy mentioned the Ford adds that pictured old "N"s pulling three bottoms. Most of those old add photos were taken at the Ford Proving Grounds....In Michigan SAND. Try pulling 3X14"s in some of the clay soils around here! You wouldn't get the plow 2" in the ground before you'd run out of power AND traction. In this immediate area, back when "N"'s roamed the farm fields, it wasn't at all UNCOMMON to see them with single bottom 16" plows or at the most, 2X12"'s. Same tractors, just totally different soil conditions.

Some tractors are just better at handling heavy draft loads. Even when set up and ballasted correctly, some just don't do as well as others. A properly designed and adjusted draft control system makes the work easier, but again, some tractors just don't do as well.

And like so many things, there's a LOT more to plowing than what meets the eye. There's nothing like experience. I know a guy who spent a lot of time demonstrating tractors (for John Deere) at farm shows back in the 50's and 60's. He could make a tractor appear to have some extra HP with his technique. You golfers out there.... Ever see a big, strong, strapping young man that looked like he was killing the ball get smoked by an older golfer who simply knew how to drive the ball. It's all about technique.

For anyone who subscribes to the statement that "All men are created equal", You've never seen a group of plowmen in the same field at the same time. There are folks who just simply make it look easy. And there are those who never quite get the hang of it.
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #38  
N80 said:
This is the plow I'm considering for my light, 44hp, 4wd with R1's. It looks a little better than the Howse and KK plows I've seen but have no idea if it is actually better or not, may even be the same thing. It claims Ford 'style' shares and it does have shear pins.:

Moldboard Plow

Any opinions from the experts?


Hey.. that does look fairly fordlike, save the top aframe! looks way better than the 2 bottom at tsc...

Also.. if you havn't plowed before.. find help on making adjustments.. actually.. if you can find an old ford owners manual.. there are good plowing instructions in the back. While I havn't looked over other manufacturers manuals.. you may find similar info in them.. etc. You might also lookup a 10-1 plow manual over at the Ntractorclub and see if it has plow instructions in the back. I'm betting it does. I have a copy somewhere around here burried on my desk.

soundguy
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #39  
N80 said:
This is the plow I'm considering for my light, 44hp, 4wd with R1's. It looks a little better than the Howse and KK plows I've seen but have no idea if it is actually better or not, may even be the same thing. It claims Ford 'style' shares and it does have shear pins.:

Moldboard Plow

Any opinions from the experts?

With the exception of paint and decals, it's the exact same plow as sold at TSC. Howse/KK/Leinbach all sell the same product, painted and badged to their specs. Supposedly the wear parts are the same as the Ford 101. However, I don't know that as fact. What I DO know is this. I took one in on trade for a mower I was selling a few years back. I had a 3X16" Ford 101 at the time. I used it behind a 60 HP Deere 2440 I own. The "TSC plow" was a 2X14". The Deere would pull the 3X16"'s almost effortlessly. I decided to use the 2X14" TSC plow to turn my garden. The 2440 pulled it, but with just about the same effort as it took to pull the 3X16"'s. IMHO, it was the hardest pulling plow I've ever hooked on to. Coulters are offered as options, but I've never seen a Howse/KK/Leinbach plow actually equipped with them.

And I don't like shearbolt plows.... I MUCH prefer saftey trip (re-set) plows.
 
   / Followup; Plowing with a 30 Hp Compact Tractor #40  
Must be a geometry issue with the plow. One thing I don't like are the steel frame members.. for some reason i like the cast ones better..

I think TSC is getting it's tractor equipment from 2 supplieres, depending on how north or south they are. The plows for sale down here in florida look like cheap junk.

Soundguy

Farmwithjunk said:
With the exception of paint and decals, it's the exact same plow as sold at TSC. Howse/KK/Leinbach all sell the same product, painted and badged to their specs. Supposedly the wear parts are the same as the Ford 101. However, I don't know that as fact. What I DO know is this. I took one in on trade for a mower I was selling a few years back. I had a 3X16" Ford 101 at the time. I used it behind a 60 HP Deere 2440 I own. The "TSC plow" was a 2X14". The Deere would pull the 3X16"'s almost effortlessly. I decided to use the 2X14" TSC plow to turn my garden. The 2440 pulled it, but with just about the same effort as it took to pull the 3X16"'s. IMHO, it was the hardest pulling plow I've ever hooked on to. Coulters are offered as options, but I've never seen a Howse/KK/Leinbach plow actually equipped with them.

And I don't like shearbolt plows.... I MUCH prefer saftey trip (re-set) plows.
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2020 Kubota SVL75-2 (A50120)
2020 Kubota...
2025 JMR 40in Single Cylinder Hydraulic Grapple Rake Mini Skid Steer Attachment (A50322)
2025 JMR 40in...
2019 CATERPILLAR 289D3 SKID STEER (A51246)
2019 CATERPILLAR...
2005 Kobelco 135SR Hydraulic Excavator (A50322)
2005 Kobelco 135SR...
2023 Kubota U27-4 (A50120)
2023 Kubota U27-4...
2010 Chevrolet Equinox SUV (A51694)
2010 Chevrolet...
 
Top