(FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES

   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #21  
Hmmm, Rick aka Mr. TiltMeter, mentioned FOPS as a opposed to ROPS, to provide protection in the woods and when using an FEL.

What do these things look like?
Are they four posts?
How do they attach to the tractor?
How much do they cost?

Thanks,
DanWhoIsWorkingInTheWoodsWithAnFEL

I sell FOPS certified steel canopies that attach to two-post ROPS structures. They are comparable in price to OEM fiberglass canopies.
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #22  
If you own a Deere call/google GR Manufacturing in Northern Alabama, they sell certified FOPS/ screens. They are not cheap but neither is ED visit/ your life.
I use one on my 4720 and it has saved me many times.
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #23  
Why should the pallet forks not be used with round bales if mfg. directions are followed - that is, the load is fixed in some way to the forks. Manufacturers have an obligation to provide FOPS when loaders are installed (unless an adequate cab is present) to prevent incidents as I had. Automatic load levelers would also reduce the risk of falling objects from pallet forks and should be required of all loaders with forks. If you think not, why not? FOPS and self levelers are not expensive and certainly worth it if I can reduce the risk or prevent the roll off type of injury I sustained. Many mfg.s (including Massey) don't even offer retro install kits for either self leveling or FOPS. Amazing that a Massey dealer would say that forks cannot be used for round bales when it no doubt supplies them for their loaders. If the load is fixed to the forks, why should forks not be used for round bales? If it can't be used safely with loads kept from shifting (round bales with a binder), then it can't be used to handle loads of any type.
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #24  
Hmmm, Rick aka Mr. TiltMeter, mentioned FOPS as a opposed to ROPS, to provide protection in the woods and when using an FEL.

What do these things look like?
Are they four posts?
How do they attach to the tractor?
How much do they cost?

Thanks,
DanWhoIsWorkingInTheWoodsWithAnFEL

I have a Perry canopy on my Ford 4610 and it is FOPS certified. It's aluminum with noise supprssing material on the underside and the structure to attach it to the factory ROPS on my tractor.

All that FOPS certification means is that if a 50 pound object is dropped from X feet above the canopy it will not hurt the operator. It won't help you with falling trees or large round bales. Google Perry Canopy for more info.
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #25  
Why should the pallet forks not be used with round bales if mfg. directions are followed - that is, the load is fixed in some way to the forks.

If the round bale is fixed to the forks why would you need a FOPS?

Manufacturers have an obligation to provide FOPS when loaders are installed (unless an adequate cab is present) to prevent incidents as I had. Automatic load levelers would also reduce the risk of falling objects from pallet forks and should be required of all loaders with forks. If you think not, why not?

How is the manufacturer "obligated"? Some of us don't want or need self leveling and fops (or Rops).

FOPS and self levelers are not expensive and certainly worth it if I can reduce the risk or prevent the roll off type of injury I sustained. Many mfg.s (including Massey) don't even offer retro install kits for either self leveling or FOPS.

Not expensive? Bales spears are inexpensive.

Amazing that a Massey dealer would say that forks cannot be used for round bales when it no doubt supplies them for their loaders.

Where does this Massey dealer say this? Just because and implement or attachment is sold for a tractor or loader doesn't mean that it should be used for anything and everything and expected to be safe.

If the load is fixed to the forks, why should forks not be used for round bales? If it can't be used safely with loads kept from shifting (round bales with a binder), then it can't be used to handle loads of any type.

Again, if the round bale is fixed to the forks why would you need a FOPS?
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES
  • Thread Starter
#26  
:D:D:D

I started this thread 10 years ago.

And it has been brought back to life. :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

I talked to my JD dealer 10 years ago and the did not have an FOPS for my tractor at that time. Guess I should ask him again. In the 10 years I have only had one near miss in the woods. And a FOPS would not have helped.
:eek:

I do not have to work so much in the woods at this point but a true four post FOPS would be nice.

Later,
Dan
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #27  
If the round bale is fixed to the forks why would you need a FOPS?

Because equipment, accessories and recommended usage methods fail. In my case, the bale was fixed to the forks with a heavy duty ratchet strap and when the lift arms unexpectedly and uncontrolably went up rather than leveling the forks the bale was virtually launched out of the restraint.

How is the manufacturer "obligated"? Some of us don't want or need self leveling and fops (or Rops).

Some people remove ROPS and PTO shaft guards and some people won't wear seat belts. Manufacturers are "obligated" where possible and reasonable to protect and warn about obvious risks. That is why there are warning bells with seatbelts and why it is against the law to drive without using them. That is why manufactorers must install shields and ROPS and why dealers must replace or repair shields or ROPS if not in safe condition.

Not expensive? Bales spears are inexpensive.

An after market hydraulic self leveling device costs less than a spear and spears that are recommended as OEM equipment for quick detach loaders are in fact very expensive. Also, in my incident, the bale would have likely come off the spear and land in the same place causing the same injury.

Where does this Massey dealer say this? Just because and implement or attachment is sold for a tractor or loader doesn't mean that it should be used for anything and everything and expected to be safe.

Loaders and their attachments are made as multi purpose or multi use equipment. The manufacturer, or dealer for that matter, should present its equipment safe for common usage and safe even for unanticipated uses. After all, the manufacturer cannot anticipate every possible use. A FOPS would prevent injury both from common and unanticipated usage. Bale handling in fact is a common usage. What else is a fork lift intended for except materials handling and if measures are taken that are consistent with manufacturer's recommendations for use, then why not move round bales with forks. Are you saying that there something inherently dangerous with forks when used in an acceptable and safe manner?

Again, if the round bale is fixed to the forks why would you need a FOPS?

Again, recommendations for use by manufacturers can fail and manufacturers cannot possibly address every alternative safe use in terms of published safety recommendations. Generally it is safest to look to the end result or final common pathway in preventing injuries. In the case of PTO shafts it is PTO shields. In the case ROPS it is roll-overs which can occur under innumerable circumstances. In the case of FOPS it is roll-off or fall-off from loaders and their attachments. The bottom line is that FOPS will protect against nearly all of them and no more costly than ROPS which are now standard with tractors without cabs. FOPS should be standard with loaders. How can you argue against that?
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #28  
Isn't incredible that with all the accidents that occur with FELs that the manufacturers do not provide them standard with loaders or as after sale installations? FEL roll off accidnts are much more common than roll-over accidents, especially now that ROPS are standard.

I have checked multiple dealers and after market companies and have not found FOPS to be available. The only way to retro install one is to have one designed and manufactured for your tractor model.
 
   / (FOPS)FALLING OBJECT PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES #30  
What you said is so obvious - the FEL related accidents without FOPS are actually common which stands to reason because in general with the tractors today (and with
RopS) it is pretty difficult to roll over.
What I can't believe is that manufacturers don't even supply after-sale or retrofit FOPS for tractors with loaders - not even an option. Perhaps this negligent attitude is best exemplified by Duffster who is our Massey Ferguson contributor who at best is complaincent and worse, seems to be arguing against simple ways to reduce very serious injury and death.
 

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