Ford 1710 final drive

[Dalbery]

I have a new to me Ford 1710 and I just changed the hydraulic fluid/filter. My FO-44 manual says that the final drive is lubed by Hyd fluid but no fluid was present. Should there be hyd fluid in there? If so why would there be no fluid? Or should there be gear oil in it? Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Darrell

 

[rayikeo2]

Look at page 7 in the FO-44 under listing Capacities.
Ford 1710
Rear axle final drive case (each) 2.4 L (2.5 US QT each)

Hard telling how long it has been running dry. I have a 1700 and final drive is not a seperate resivor. Yours has 2 seperate resivors independant of transmission hydrolic fluids thus the capacity for the trans is 4 qts less but the total is nearly the same when you add 2.5 qts on each side.
Go to page 85 Fig 233 for picture.

 

[Dalbery]

Rayikeo2,
Thanks for the info. Trust me I have been studying this book, running out looking at the tractor, studying the book, and repeat. Maybe I'm not talking about the correct part of the rear end. Pg 93 fig 253 shows 2 "reduction drain plugs" These are what's empty-dry. Do you have any insight?
Thanks,
Darrell

 

[JC-jetro]

Darryl,

Does you hyd lift system work? The reservoir/rear diffy is where all hyd fluid is returned. it is where hyd pump gets it's fluid. Can't see pump running on a dry reservoir.

JC,

 

[Dalbery]

JC-jetro,
Yes all hydrualics are working. I think my ford 770a loader should have more lifting power, but I read somewhere that the 770 is only rated at 800lbs lift. That seems really weak.
Thanks,
Darrell

 

[JC-jetro]

JC-jetro,
Yes all hydrualics are working. I think my ford 770a loader should have more lifting power, but I read somewhere that the 770 is only rated at 800lbs lift. That seems really weak.
Thanks,
Darrell

Darrell,

I'm a bit confused, The "Pg 93 fig 253 shows 2 "reduction drain plugs" reference is for the rear diffy drain plug, are you saying that it is dry when you open the plug or are you talking about the final drive for the 4 wheel drive?

JC,

 

[Dalbery]

JC-jetro,
I am talking about the 2 reduction drain plugs I believe I should've gotten hyd fluid out of them. After refilling my hydraulic fluid and changing the filter I even ran the tractor with those plugs out and nothing came out of them. I haven't found a drain or fill for the rear final drive housings.

 

[rayikeo2]

Darrell, Is your tractor a 4 wheel drive? What transmission do you have? Is it a 12 speed manual or a hydrostatic?

 

[rayikeo2]

This is only a guess and pure speculation. Maybe if your tractor is NOT a 4x4 the housing you are referring to may not require any lube in the case as it would not have the reduction gears in it.

I am going to retire for the night, Ray

 

[Dalbery]

My tractor is a 4wd and it has the synchromesh 12-4 tranny. And I have tested the 4wd and it does work.
Thanks,
Darrell

 

[rayikeo2]

The mystery continues. We need some answers from another 1710 owner.

Two thoughts come to mind for this (only speculating) 1) Make sure you added enough trans fluid while changing it as the 4x4 housing may get oil from overflow from the tranny. Did you replace 19 US qts of fluid in the trans? Remember when checking the dipstick level, do not screw it into the housing, check while unscrewed.
2nd if fluid is correct try engaging the 4 wheel drive for a short distance to see if some fluid comes into it.
I am running out of ideas here.

 

[randy41]

i have a 1710 that sounds like yours but my owners manual doesn't go up to pg.93. There is a dip stick for the tranny/hyd resevoir.

 

[rayikeo2]

Darrell is refering to the shop manual. It is more detailed with overhauls and repairs than the Owners manual so it has more pages, but any input you can give him will be appreciated. Ray

 

[fltem06]

I don't have my manual with me, but I've got a 2 wheel drive, and I've never pulled a plug that didn't have something come out. If I remember correctly...Ther's a drain plug for the trans, then a drain plug for the diffy, and then a drain plug under each axle housings. When draining the diffy, there should be 3 plugs to drain.

 

[Dalbery]

Gentlemen,
Mystery solved!! I pulled both plugs (right and left hand) and stuck a screwdriver up there. It was all crusted over not allowing fluid to come out. It is filled with hydraulic fluid from the main reservoir. I called the fella I bought the tractor from (a small tractor dealer) and he said I should drain the hydraulics again and fill the hydraulics with diesel and run the tractor. He says it will dry out any water left in the system. Then I can refill it with hydraulic fluid, change the filter, and be good to go.
Thanks again,
Darrell

 

[Dalbery]

I'm using hydraulic fluid that's 32 weight. Is this correct? I also saw they sell a 46 weight and one other.

 

[rayikeo2]

I'm using hydraulic fluid that's 32 weight. Is this correct? I also saw they sell a 46 weight and one other.

Darrell the correct fluid for the Transmission, rear axle and Hydrolic System is Ford M2C-134A This also runs the 3 pt lift. (and the FEL) It looks like auto trans fluid, and I think it is less than 30 wt. Check with a tractor supply or New Holland dealer. You can buy it in 5 gal cans. If what you put in your trans is too heavy it's going to slow everything down and cause problems. Make sure you get this right as it is extremely important. Maybe the reason the fluid didn't come out the drain holes was because it may be to thick.

 

[Hooked_on_HP]

Do not use hyd. oil. Use the specified oil. Hyd oil will not cushion the gears in the trans and rearend and will cause premature wear. I would use Seafoam `transtune to get rid of the moisture.
Bill