Ford 5000, Kelley front end loader 800 model

[Ervin Smith]

Ok, a hose broke. Going to the dealer or Napa as suggested. next question>
I am getting a rear scrapper blade from Land Pride. With 3 hydrolics for each movement. The tractor has two Hydraulics. Can I simply buy a Block Directional Control Valves to operate these three hydraulics from one source since the front end loader is useing one of these.

 

[J_J]

This other source would have to be a pressure port.

If your loader valve has a PB port. just add the new valve in series with the PB port.

If your FEL valve does not have PB, then purchase a new valve with PB and put it inline first, then feed the old FEL valve. All the valves have to be in series for open center system.

 

[Ervin Smith]

Thanks JJ, that might be why then it set up like it is on the back. One line goes to three ports in a series with a shut off valve before the last two, so they don't leak while not being used. Seems to me you could add another or remove the two extra and put in a multi port connection. Same way with the return line. But i will have to check into this more. Seems to me it works kind of like electric, who goes in has to come out for it to power itself. but its a closed system and cirulates.

 

[Ervin Smith]

I think that however is the least of my worries. I was so upset over the hose breaking, I forgot to mention the tractor makes a terrible noise in gear, until you let out the clutch. And between gear changes and when putting it into reverse. So it must have to do with the clutch. The delivery guy sad, I was pushing the clutch in to far on a old ford like this. sounds fishy to me.

And they told me they used it around the place, but thats doubtful with this noise, and then the deliver guy said that noise will stop after its been used awhile since it was sitting. So someone is handing me a line of bull.

 

[J_J]

Thanks JJ, that might be why then it set up like it is on the back. One line goes to three ports in a series with a shut off valve before the last two, so they don't leak while not being used. Seems to me you could add another or remove the two extra and put in a multi port connection. Same way with the return line. But i will have to check into this more. Seems to me it works kind of like electric, who goes in has to come out for it to power itself. but its a closed system and cirulates.

If you are saying that your tractor system is closed center hyd, that changes things. The valves added will have to be closed center valves and can be connected in parallel.

 

[Leejohn]

I think that however is the least of my worries. I was so upset over the hose breaking, I forgot to mention the tractor makes a terrible noise in gear, until you let out the clutch. And between gear changes and when putting it into reverse. So it must have to do with the clutch. The delivery guy sad, I was pushing the clutch in to far on a old ford like this. sounds fishy to me.

And they told me they used it around the place, but thats doubtful with this noise, and then the deliver guy said that noise will stop after its been used awhile since it was sitting. So someone is handing me a line of bull.

"sounds fishy to me" that is out right BS! It's the throw out bearing!!!

 

[Ervin Smith]

Thanks JJ, Thats what I think, and I don't know nothing about a tractor except I like them and wanted one to fart around with on my little acerage and road work. I am going to cancel my order of $3,600 of additional equipment if they don't fix it. No need to thro good money after bad, with that type of sale.
Oh, I fixed the leadks on the hyraulics. they didn't bother to tighten down the fittings on the left side, I could screw them with my hand, and tightened them snug, So now I just need to replace the hose, and the one next to it looks even worse in the bend. See ya around. Oh y eah, they promised me a oil change, didn't do it, so I have to buy oil and filter. I guess 15w40 rotella will do, and any hydrolic to off the system after I put on the new hoses, if I can find where to put it. Don'tt get my manual till next week.

 

[Ervin Smith]

I called them about this issue, they said the thro out bearing can go out overnight. One day its good, the next day its bad. Called locally for a estimate, they told me $1,500 or more labor with a front end loader plus parts. I got this tractor from so I guess it is as always buyer beware.

Rudolph Brothers Implement

187 S. Yankeetown Rd., Boonville, IN 47601
Phone: (812) 897-1720
Fax: (812) 897-4109

 

[Ervin Smith]

i CAME OVER TO SEE MY BROTHERS TRACTOR AND FOUND THAT THE THROW OUT BEARING IS GOING OUT AND THE TRANSMISSION IS FULL OF WATER. tHE OIL WAS NOT CHANGED AS PROMISED NOR WAS THE FUEL FILTERS. hOW DO i KNOW THIS: i SPENT 20 YEARS IN THE U.S. NAVY AS A DIESEL MECHANIC. THEY REALLY DID A NUMBER ON THIS SALE. i ADVISE NOT TO BUY ANYTHING FROM THIS COMPANY: RUDOLPH BROTHERS INC..a DISABLED MARINE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. WISH i COULD HAVE SEN THIS BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT.

 

[Leejohn]

Ervin Smith,
May I ask what you had to pay for the tractor? Lee

 

[Ervin Smith]

Being a disabled retired Marine, I have a very fixed icome, I have been saving a long time to get this. I couldn't afford much. Finally after looking for years, I found this Ford 5000 on Tractor House, so I assumed the listing would be accurate. I did not even think, I would get cheated in the farm business, some how I had this silly idea, people in this industry might be more honest people. Little did i know, either dishonest or uninformed. The numer he sent me indicates a 1976. He sent me this number C 5 N N 7 0 0 6 the C means either 5000 or 8speed. The 5 in the scale stands for 1975. So he tried to prove to me it was a 1976. But the engine number on the one he sent is different.

Boy did I get ripped off. Its a 1966 tractor, but they said 1976. The loan papers say 1976. the Kelly front end

loader says 1985. The dilivery papers which I didn't read, say different.
But I think my loan papers are the legal ones.
The product code is 6 M 1 3 meaning 1966, Dec. 13th. and there is not stamping for the time of day on the tractor. A

for midnight, B for morning, and C for afternoon. Boy they seen me coming.

Someones Reply:
yep.. the '5' in themodel number is the clue.. it would be 'D' if it was a late one.
still.. it's a good machine. too bad they were not honest with you, since they should have known what they were

selling. it's not like it's a secret what the numbers mean.

My reply:
No way am I going to stand for this, something will be done about it. Several suggest contacting the Attorneys

General and file fraud charges, but not untill I hear from them to see where my 1976 is.

 

[Ervin Smith]

Oh I paid $5,000 for a 5000 Ford Tractor 1976. Sounded like a really good deal, seen one for lower and several for more, Got a offer yesterday for one for sale for $6,000. Do $5,000 did not thro up any red flags. I have litterlly looked at hundred of hudred of tractors. No just ford either.

Depending on condition and appearance and hours, they ranged from $4,500 all the way to $10,000. Some with loaders, some without, some with bush hogs. some without.

 

[Soundguy]

If you are saying that your tractor system is closed center hyd, that changes things. The valves added will have to be closed center valves and can be connected in parallel.

a ford 5000 is an open center system... it uses the same standard top cover hyd remote that ford used from 1955 thru at least the X600 series in 79. with the 10 sereis there was liekly some changes.. etc.


soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

The numer he sent me indicates a 1976. He sent me this number C 5 N N 7 0 0 6 the C means either 5000 or 8speed. The 5 in the scale stands for 1975. QUOTE]

sorry dude.. but c5nn7006 is a CASTING number. not a sn.. model id.. or date code..

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

5000$ for a 5000 is about the correct price.

soundguy

Oh I paid $5,000 for a 5000 Ford Tractor 1976. Sounded like a really good deal, seen one for lower and several for more, Got a offer yesterday for one for sale for $6,000. Do $5,000 did not thro up any red flags. I have litterlly looked at hundred of hudred of tractors. No just ford either.

Depending on condition and appearance and hours, they ranged from $4,500 all the way to $10,000. Some with loaders, some without, some with bush hogs. some without.

 

[Ervin Smith]

Well thats the number he told me, saying that proved it was a 1976. I didn't know these things till I looked into it even more. I have looked and looked for days not hours. Spent up to 6 hours all night long looking and reading about ford tractors, I got books and books doing research trying to figure this all out about years and models and horse power and PTO HP, etc.

 

[Soundguy]

too bad you didn't find this website or a couple others sooner.

soundguy

 

[Ervin Smith]

WEll as anyone can see, I thought something was up. Look at all the questions I have asked. And the advice I have been seeking. then look what the facts are and you can see I was mislead, and they misrepresented themselves and their product.
A 1966 ford 5000 is not the same as a 1976 Ford 5000, except that they didn't make very many changes in them except for some metal work cosmetically. I know it, you know it, everyone who reads and follows this knows it.
Ten(10) years difference it a big difference in anything. Look at our bodies and tell me that isn't the truth.

If I could get back ten years of my life, and be 46 again, I would jump at the chance.

 

[Ervin Smith]

The big picture here is that they should have gotten back to me. I called them at 2pm friday afternoon with this issue. And they didn't call me back. Thats just poor poor situation any way you look at it.
Of course if they were out on their yaughts, and couldn't be reached. LOL

put a poor man don't understand that type stuff. Everything I own is old and I have very few luxuries just like all the other average men.

I do not know may hard working farmers who have not worked for what they got. And there are more poor hard working farmers than rich ones, who can afford to be away from there jobs and not take care of something like this.

 

[Soundguy]

, except that they didn't make very many changes in them except for some metal work cosmetically. .

some steering and engine differences too.

soundguy