ford 8n will not fire

[J_J]

Do you want to keep it stock or modify or change over to 12 v system?

Are you going to keep the tractor?

 

[catfishonly]

JJ the tractor was already converted to 12volts.i dont have the parts to put it back to 6volt.

 

[RickB]

RickB,

If you want to put me on your ignore list, go for it.

Done.

 

[J_J]

You could go with the EI, and never have to change points, but it does cost a few bucks. It is probably designed to work at a min voltage of around 8.5 v

 

[catfishonly]

Yes i am going to keep the tractor but when i go out to start it i want it to start.I dont want to have to keep messing around with the points.BUT my question is wil this take care of the problem that i have it is fire in between 1243 inside the cap it is delayed like it is out of time.What i am saying is it fires in between 1 and 2 and on 2it fires in between 2 and 3. How do i know this i cut the side out of an old cap last night and used a test light and while cranking the motor i got spark on the rotor button and down the button.but when i held it close to the brass on 1 and 2 it fired past them not on them.I dont mind spending $150 for the EI as long as it takes care of the problem.and yes it already has the 12 volt coil and alternater

 

[Egon]

Sounds like it's time to find the timing marks, set the distributor and
dig out a timing light.:thumbsup:

 

[Scotty370]

Sounds like it's time to find the timing marks, set the distributor and
dig out a timing light.:thumbsup:

Ditto that! New wires, cap (which I believe you had) and special attention to the firing order! Internal combustion engines aren't that complex when you break them down to the basics, Compression, Fuel, and Spark.......... ~Scotty

 

[Soundguy]

RickB,

I was probably building electronic circuit before you were even born. .

JJ.. rickb is likey very close to your age...
what we are telling you is what we have seen and dealt with day in and day out on other ford boards.

ei and 6v causes significant disapointment issues with owners. 12v and ei.. not so much.

the front mount dizzy just complicates the issue further since, if you keep the squre coil , you are limited to a 6v coil needing a resistor to run on 6v.. or a 12v coil needing a resistor to run on 12v... a ver un-ideal setup IMHO...

I've no doubt 6v and ei on a rebuilt front mount ford 8n with rebuilt engine back to factory specs, plus a rebuilt dizzy with new bushings, clean fuel tank and clean carb, rebuilt starter with good brushes and bushings, fresh fuel, all new wires and a brand new hot battery and new plugs will work out just fine... sadly.. that's a pipe dream for most applications I see. Many people are looking for bandaid fixes.. big one is going ei instead or replacing dizzy bushings, as the EI HE sensor is more tolerant of a eccentric spin that would make for changing points gaps.. that and 12v seems to be a universal bandaid for a wornengine with low compression. 12v on the 6v starter spins it over faster yeilding higher dynamic compression and easier starting... cheaper to hang a 35$ junkyard alternator on than re-ring and re-sleave and engine and drop in bearings, and gaskets, oil, and have head and block checked, plus a valve job.

again.. this is the stuff we see and deal with daily onother ford specific forums... just didn't want the op to drop 150$ and have a non running tractor thinking EI was going to be a cure all / replacemnt for repair and periodic maintenance.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Sounds like it's time to find the timing marks, set the distributor and
dig out a timing light.:thumbsup:

if it's a front mount.. that will be darn hard to do...

I can't recall if the poster did hav ethe front or not... too hard to go back on this pda and re-read a few pages of posts to verify...

 

[tlbuser]

You kinda do need to start from scratch and see what's going on. The front mount distributor is not adjustable, but the breaker plate is. Set the tractor #1 cylinder to TDC and see if the distributor is pointing directly to #1. Firing order is 1-2-4-3.
At this point, a 6v ei or 12v ei discussion is, stupid. Help the guy get his tractor fixed, it's not a pissing contest or a who's bigger game.