Ford-Cummins

[Hambone]

I had heard a rumor. Then found this web site.
What do ya think??

http://www.harvesting.com/ford/

 

[jwstewar]

Didn't Dodge just sign an exclusive deal with Cummins until something like 2010? Of course that was probably only for the US market.

 

[Hambone]

I saw that on the Cummins website. But, it did not go into any detail. I didn't know if Dodge signed only to recieve engines from Cummins or did they sign for Cummins only to supply Dodge?

 

[RobertN]

It would make a great combination. I have driven F250('99) and F450('01) . Both are great trucks; the PS 7.3 was a pretty good engine.

I happen to like the Cummins in my Dodge a bit better. In stock form, they are pretty comparable, but I like the power curve to the Cummins.

It is interesting I have heard folks talk about putting Cummins in other trucks, but never a PS in another truck...

I personally would like to upgrade mine from the 5.9 Cummins to the 8.9L that is in the new Fire engines our distrct has been getting. I got to drive them a little before I stepped down as a volunteer. They were NICE!

 

[JDgreen227]

About six years before I retired, I was assigned a new work truck, a Ford F800 with the 5.9 Cummins and automatic. It was the best engine of all the medium duties I drove over a 30 year period. My next new pickup has to be GM as we get the discount but I wish that 5.9 was available in a GM model.

 

[Joe1]

That's not so unusual. Ford acquired Cummins a few years ago. They also acquired Jaguar and Volvo and a few others in their feeding frenzy. The Cummins 5.9 is a superior engine to the Powerstroke. (If not, then maybe someone can explain why International doesn't use the Powerstroke in their own medium duty chassis but uses their own in line 6. I'll just wait for the firestorm on that one).

 

[jwstewar]

Directly from Cummins' website.

Ford Doesn't Own any Part of Cummins

 

[jwstewar]

I thought it was Cummins would only supply Dodge, but it would make sense that it would be a reciprocal agreement.

 

[Joe1]

JWSTEWAR

Thanks for the correction. I don't recall where I thought I read that Ford had purchased Cummins, however, my memory along with the rest of my body is failing faster that I thought.

I ALWAYS learn something on this site.

Joe

 

[JerryG]

Joe,
That was a rumor that has been going around for a couple of years now. As much as Ford bought for a while, I would have believed it.

 

[Egon]

At one time Ford had about 7% of Cummins but have since sold it. The time frame for this is ??? maybe 8/10 years ago.

Egon

 

[BobinCols]

I don't think you will see a 5.9 Cummins in a Ford F250-550..
The engine in the Brazilian Ford website appeared to have an old style rotary injection pump, not an electronic pump they use now. The 7.3 Powerstroke is the same engine that IHC uses in their trucks (called a T444E). 444 cu in, turbo-electronic.

 

[Hambone]

This is my guess. They are looking for an engine to put in there F650-750 series trucks, it would not make much sense to buy an engine from who they are competing against(truck wise) in the same market.

 

[cowboydoc]

International does use the powerstroke in their medium duty trucks. The new 6.0 powerstroke was used exclusively in International medium duty trucks for 2 years before it even was released in the Ford. I'm not saying that the cummins isn't a great engine by any means. Ford did want to offer a choice between the cummins and the powerstroke. But Dodge purchased the exclusive rights for the cummins in the light duty truck market. As far as Ford in their medium duty trucks you actually have three choices. There is a cat motor, the cummins, or the powerstoke.

 

[JerryG]

This is what AutoWeek had to say about the supply of diesels for the F-150 in the December 10, 2003 issue. It also tells what suppliers thought about supplying to Ford. AutoWeek Ford Diesels

 

[Joe1]

Around 1961 or so, GM offered a small diesel, I believe it was a 4 banger in the GMC pickup. It just didn't sell. Those were the years when the GMC had a 301 and 351 cu in gas V-6.

The 5.9 Cummins is pretty heavy for a "half ton" truck. It's about 500 lbs heavier than a gasoline V-8.

There's probably a good market for a smaller diesel for a "half ton". I'd buy one once they are perfected.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

The next dawg we're going to see marketed in the light truck market is going to be a Durango--Colorado sized diesel with either this or another motor awful similar.

If you'll notice your local UPS in the rural areas are using these puppies and they have a GVW in the neighborhood of eight thousand pounds, have a five cylinder diesel with lots of pep and a five speed automatic trans. If I was in a business where a van body worked for me I'd look at one of these real close.

But that same motor and trans would do just fine in a half ton.

Mercedes buying Chrysler and then refusing to chryslerize mercedes and instead mercedesing chrysler might be a good thing for the consumer in the long run.

 

[TheKid]

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The Power Stroke is the standard engine in the 650-750 series, but Cummins or Caterpiller engines are available as options.

 

[HalseyGreen]

My son and I stopped by a Dodge dealer this past weekend and found the MB Sprinter Vans, mentioned above, being sold as rebadged Dodges.