Ford & IH finalize diesel divorce

[Paystar]

In my opinion (and no, I'm not an environmental scientist) burning double the fuel as an alternative to putting out some soot from the pipe is NOT environmentally, or cost, effective.

I agree! The best mileage I could get with my "emmissions friendly" Cat Acert is 5.3 mpg in my dump truck. A long way off from the 7 to 8 with the old mechanical motors. That's doing everything I can...no idling, progressive shifting, etc. Now the DPF motors will be even worse as they use almost a gallon to regen.
I too don't see how using more fuel is saving the environment. Why don't they just pull some of the grossly polluting junk off the road? And when they changed from 50ppm to 5 ppm on road fuel, why didn't they just clean up the off road and furnace oil from it's 300 parts per million? Wouldn't that have "saved the environment" just as well as ruining our new engines? There must be as much off road and furnace oil being used as on road fuel, no?

 

[Ryan03]

I agree with you 100%

 

[Builder]

In my opinion (and no, I'm not an environmental scientist) burning double the fuel as an alternative to putting out some soot from the pipe is NOT environmentally, or cost, effective.

I agree! The best mileage I could get with my "emmissions friendly" Cat Acert is 5.3 mpg in my dump truck. A long way off from the 7 to 8 with the old mechanical motors. That's doing everything I can...no idling, progressive shifting, etc. Now the DPF motors will be even worse as they use almost a gallon to regen.
I too don't see how using more fuel is saving the environment. Why don't they just pull some of the grossly polluting junk off the road? And when they changed from 50ppm to 5 ppm on road fuel, why didn't they just clean up the off road and furnace oil from it's 300 parts per million? Wouldn't that have "saved the environment" just as well as ruining our new engines? There must be as much off road and furnace oil being used as on road fuel, no?

It's all BS created by people who haven't a clue what it takes to survive in the world.

 

[John Deere 3520]

It must regenerate 3 times a day.

Not sure 8mpg is at its best when its being babied, cat is really fallen behind with the new motors its pretty sad.When my cuz ordered his KW he wanted a 625hp cat, but the dealer told him it had way to many problems so he got the 600hp cummins and he likes it.

 

[WilliamBos]

DPF but it was so easy to take off so why not..

Because warranties are nice things to have. Why is it the 6L in the Navistar trucks worked fine,but the on ford got did not? Because ford wanted it done there way, like usual they pretend to know more than the guys who built it.

My fav IH truck motor, the DT466, what an awesome motor. My fav IH PERIOD is the 66 series.

 

[Builder]

Because warranties are nice things to have. Why is it the 6L in the Navistar trucks worked fine,but the on ford got did not? Because ford wanted it done there way, like usual they pretend to know more than the guys who built it.

My fav IH truck motor, the DT466, what an awesome motor. My fav IH PERIOD is the 66 series.

I think one of the biggest problems with the 6L was that Ford needed to rush it to market because it was losing market share to GM's new diesel. It wasn't tested long enough at Ford, so Ford decided to test it on their buyers.

Yes, I can attest that the DT466 is a great little diesel. Reliable as they get. Not a huge powerhouse, but runs like a top. Mine starts with no starting aid when it's 10 degrees.

Ask me how I know.

 

[WilliamBos]

I think one of the biggest problems with the 6L was that Ford needed to rush it to market because it was losing market share to GM's new diesel. It wasn't tested long enough at Ford, so Ford decided to test it on their buyers.

Yes, I can attest that the DT466 is a great little diesel. Reliable as they get. Not a huge powerhouse, but runs like a top. Mine starts with no starting aid when it's 10 degrees.

Ask me how I know.

We did the same with my Dad's old work truck. It was colder than that, -20F (-29C), was not plugged in, no can, it turned and started.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I have a buddy who delivers diesel fuel to truck stops for a living. He is a independent contractor and owns his tractor and leases the trailer. Anyway he ran out in 07 and bought a "dirty" Volvo something or other. Not sure really but its a full size semi with a sleeper. Anyway his buddy like his so much and bought the next years "clean" version. He told me driving the same route he used 80 gallons while his buddy used 100 gallons. If you were to do that 5 days a week it would cost his buddy $15,000 more per year for fuel. Being contractors that comes right out of the wallet of the owner operator.

The guys driving semi's are just like us 1 ton diesel guys. They don't want it on there. Its killing the bottom line.

Chris

 

[WilliamBos]

I have a buddy who delivers diesel fuel to truck stops for a living. He is a independent contractor and owns his tractor and leases the trailer. Anyway he ran out in 07 and bought a "dirty" Volvo something or other. Not sure really but its a full size semi with a sleeper. Anyway his buddy like his so much and bought the next years "clean" version. He told me driving the same route he used 80 gallons while his buddy used 100 gallons. If you were to do that 5 days a week it would cost his buddy $15,000 more per year for fuel. Being contractors that comes right out of the wallet of the owner operator.

The guys driving semi's are just like us 1 ton diesel guys. They don't want it on there. Its killing the bottom line .

Chris

The logic of the EPA kills me. Use more to run cleaner?? I will never get that one.

 

[jgrreed]

My persdonal reason for not removing the DPF is simple, that is if I had a new truck. If I wanted to roll around my shop floor on a creeper with a whiz wheel and a socket set to remove the DPF, and then do the same to reinstall it for warranty or recall issues, I would have gained nothing by buying a new truck, as I would still have to get dirty working on it. My Dmax, so far has been pretty good, but when I do replace it someday and spend 45k+, I don't want to do any thing besides routine maintenence to it. Spending all that money and having to spend time R&R ind the DPF would get real old real quick.

I understand your sentiment completely, I just couldn't stand the disgusting mileage anymore. It took me and a buddy ~2 hours and a few swears to get my DPF off. I don't hide my tuner, and the dealers have been great so far. The deal is that if something goes wrong because of my tuner, it's out of my pocket. If the problem is unrelated to that, they'll warranty it.

If you're happy with your DMax, KEEP IT!!! I would've, but my F350 was my first diesel, and I was under the impression that I was buying one of these new-fangled 'clean, environmentally friendly' diesels.........

-Jer.