Ford makes progress in quality study; Toyota brand slips

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Im glad it kind of bucks the trend and the perceptions being broadcasted from the recent woes from the big 3 and especially Ford

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Ford makes progress in quality study; Toyota brand slips

Last Update: 2:44 PM ET Jun 6, 2007


By John D. Stoll Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
DETROIT (Dow Jones)--Ford Motor Co. made significant strides in a closely watched annual quality study in which each of the Dearborn, Mich., auto maker's domestic brands came in above the industry average, helping the company close the gap with top Asian auto makers and distance itself from domestic counterparts.
The J.D. Power and Associates annual Initial Quality Study (IQS), released Wednesday, showed long-time leader Toyota Motor Corp.
continuing to lose ground in the study, with its high-volume Toyota brand slipping behind Honda Motor Co and barely outpacing Ford's Mercury brand. Ford was the most-awarded company on a vehicle-by-vehicle basis.
Toyota in years past dominated the study, but other auto makers have gradually picked up steam. Still, Toyota remains the fastest growing large auto maker in the U.S., and passed Ford for the No. 2 sales slot in the market in May.
General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG's (Chrysler Group) both failed to have a brand performing above the industry average in the study and actually saw setbacks at some key brands. GM spokesman Tom Wilkinson noted that there is a virtual dead-heat among many of the domestic mainstream brands that are rated at industry average, but he said "there is always room for improvement...we're good, but we need to get better."
Porsche and Toyota's Lexus were the top-performing brands in the study, followed by Ford's Lincoln nameplate. Honda's high-volume Honda brand was fourth in the survey and the top mainline brand. Mercedes-Benz, which took a reputation hit recently for quality problems, was the fifth-best brand in the survey.
The IQS, along with the firm's annual durability study, is considered an industry benchmark in terms of vehicle quality. In recent years, the study has shown a steady improvement in quality performance for Detroit's Big Three auto makers.
J.D. Power and Associates compiles its IQS by surveying new-car buys in the first three months of vehicle ownership and ranks auto makers and individual vehicles on a problems-per-100-vehicles-sold basis. The firm collected results from 450 owners of each vehicle in the study an 97,000 people were polled in total.
J.D. Power and Associates analyst Neal Oddes said the overall U.S. auto industry has increased quality has posted a 120% improvement in quality compared to the study conducted 20 years ago, in 2007. The industry's improvement in quality came as more and more brands have been introduced in the U.S. market, giving consumers more choice. The proliferation of choice has driven U.S. auto makers to increasingly focus on improving vehicle attributes, such as quality, in order to keep up.
Ford Quality Chief Bennie Fowler, in an interview, said Ford's improvement is indicative of "attention to detail and responding what customers want."
Ford has been scrambling to improve quality since a series of quality mishaps plagued the auto maker earlier in the decade. Oddes noted that Ford's newly-launched vehicles are helping drive the auto maker's gains.
Even as Ford gains ground in quality, it continues to lose U.S. market share as it backs away from selling heavy volumes of vehicles to rental car fleets and as it loses retail buyers on a consistent basis. In addition to improving quality, Ford has been trying to improve the image and resale value of its vehicles.
Oddes said GM has shown improvement in pockets, but GM in general is posting an inconsistent performance when it comes to vehicles it recently launched in the market. He said some are performing well, but some new vehicles have fallen off the mark. Wilkinson said the auto maker is scoring well with its consumers on issues like interior and design.
GM posted a retail sales gain over the first five months of the year.
-By John D. Stoll, Dow Jones Newswires; 248-204-5533; john.stoll@dowjones.com
 
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I saw the report... seems to be counting defects at INITIAL delivery. Agreed, this is significant... however I purchase a vehicle and keep it 10 or more years... I just want to DRIVE it... and only take it in to replace consummables...oil, gas, tires, brakes, battery, bulbs, tune up every 100,000 miles.

I don't want ANYTHING else to break, ever. Not a water pump, not an alternator, not a radiator leak, not the windshield wipers, not clutch or automatic transmission, or any funny electronics or emissions stuff, head gaskets. Nothing.

That's the way it's been for my Toyota's so far (I mean nothing broken)... 5 in family so far. Four are still in use. My mother-in-law's Camry station wagon died at 297,000 miles. Piston rod thru the block... I think that the timing belt broke... I kinda become forgiving at this mileage... she'd still be driving it at over 32 MPG if she had known to have the timing belt replaced:eek:

The litany of problems, other than consummables, with both my Ford F350 and parents Dodge Grand Caravan would bring tears to your eyes:(
I have numerous friends who all relay that their american made vehicles are often in the shop for stuff that I don't think should have busted, knowing that they do not abuse their vehicles and do proper maintence on them.

Their attitude seems to be... you own a vehicle, things break.
My attitude is that the only expense on a vehicle should be for consummables.

I do hope that long term Toyota quality is not slipping... and hope, too, that long term quality of all American vehicles becomes that which I have experienced with Toyota (OK,I know, they are assembled in the US now...nevertheless, you know my point.)
 
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The common theme I see with most pro-asian car owners that hate American vehicles is they never seem to remember when their asian car was in the shop, but they always remember when their American car was in the shop "way back in the 90's".

And it's like the American press has "programmed" us to always cuss that Dodge caravan for being unreliable when it breaks.....they're supposed to right? Afterall, they're "unreliable" American cars.

Last time I drove around the back of a Honda or Toyota dealership, they had just as many service bays and mechanics as a Ford or GM dealer...and oh, by the way, those Honda & Toyota mechanics were busy, not just standing around drinking coffee.

Toyota recalled more cars than it sold last year. "Unacceptable", I think the Toyota CEO said, but Americans will buy them in droves because the press has equated Toyota with reliability.
 
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Builder said:
The common theme I see with most pro-asian car owners that hate American vehicles is they never seem to remember when their asian car was in the shop, but they always remember when their American car was in the shop "way back in the 90's".

And it's like the American press has "programmed" us to always cuss that Dodge caravan for being unreliable when it breaks.....they're supposed to right? Afterall, they're "unreliable" American cars.

Last time I drove around the back of a Honda or Toyota dealership, they had just as many service bays and mechanics as a Ford or GM dealer...and oh, by the way, those Honda & Toyota mechanics were busy, not just standing around drinking coffee.

Toyota recalled more cars than it sold last year. "Unacceptable", I think the Toyota CEO said, but Americans will buy them in droves because the press has equated Toyota with reliability.

You are so right on my friend, I dont even want to add to what you said - its perfect just the way it is - :)
 
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I know several owners of Honda's and Camry's who rent an amercian car ever year to drive on vacation. Seems the Honda or Camry does not have enough interior room or is too noisy for the wife on long trips. The favorite rental, 1.) Cadillac 2.) Lincoln Town Car. Me I just drive my American made on vacation and leave the rental to others.
 
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For me, it's the stuff like the following that gets me going:

When the 96 Dodge Caravan makes a right hand turn AND there is a bounce because of a dip in the street at the same time, THEN the windshield wipers turn on. Yep, crazy.. but that's what happens... about once every 3rd time I take my parents to the doctor. :(

Normally, it takes a rotation of the knob on the stalk to turn them on. And an on/off action on the stalk when this happens does turn them off.

Always garaged, driven by my parents (92 and 94 now) until they stopped driving. I've been the only other driver. 26,000 miles total. Anybody with experience regarding this problem and how it was fixed, please let me know. :)
 
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Friends of ours have the same problem with a Volvo, except they go on for no apparent reason, then just shut off.

Happens with foreign cars, too.......
 
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texasjohn said:
When the 96 Dodge Caravan makes a right hand turn AND there is a bounce because of a dip in the street at the same time, THEN the windshield wipers turn on. Yep, crazy.. but that's what happens... about once every 3rd time I take my parents to the doctor. :(

:)

Thats all that is wrong with a 11 year old car ? you dont know how good you got it. :D

Heck my little Honda left me in a big lurch by having the tranny get up and quit on me on the way to work (and no warning), of course on a very important day. Seems like the class action suit for Honda accords 2001 and newer predicted the tranny would fail completly at or about 50k miles. Holy predicitions nostrodamous, they were dead on :)
 
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Builder said:
The common theme I see with most pro-asian car owners that hate American vehicles is they never seem to remember when their asian car was in the shop, but they always remember when their American car was in the shop "way back in the 90's".

And it's like the American press has "programmed" us to always cuss that Dodge caravan for being unreliable when it breaks.....they're supposed to right? Afterall, they're "unreliable" American cars.

Last time I drove around the back of a Honda or Toyota dealership, they had just as many service bays and mechanics as a Ford or GM dealer...and oh, by the way, those Honda & Toyota mechanics were busy, not just standing around drinking coffee.

Toyota recalled more cars than it sold last year. "Unacceptable", I think the Toyota CEO said, but Americans will buy them in droves because the press has equated Toyota with reliability.

Hey, I found something I can whole heartily agree with you on!:D
 

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