Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton?

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   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #181  
From what I have read, the EcoBoost is built like a diesel, so it should be able to handle the power long term.
IIRC, the 2.7L and the V2 3.5L have a CGI block like the 6.7L Diesel.

Cummins 5.9 12V heads cracked often in excavators at 6-8000hrs. They thermically didnt like the on/off load cycles. I had it once on a wheel loader too, but that was at 17.000hrs so that engine had already earned its keep.
The early QSB 4 valve lasted only 8000 hrs in a wheel loader in 190hp configuration. It lasted 20.000hrs in one size smaller, at 155hp.

When stretching the limits in automotive engines, you dont get punished for the few seconds every day this power is used to overtake or sprint away at a traffic light. But in commercial, or industrial duty where these engines run at peak power often and long, under-engineering for the given duty cycle, gets punished hard.

Thats why a Landrover gets 370hp from the 4.4 liter V8 Diesel, a DRW Ram gets 370hp from a 6.7 ISB, and a dumptruck gets a similar power from an ISX12.
If you take a look at Fendts new flagship the 1050, it packs a 12.4 liter MAN engine with a specific output of 40.3 hp per liter, where the 939 has a specific output of 50hp per liter... Because in heavy use, these 7.8 liter engines at 390hp were burnt up and ready for rebuild at 5000hrs.

Engineering limits can be stretched, but only if development of engine metallurgy and engine oils keeps up the pace. And historically, it shows that the market allways demands faster than metallurgs can keep up with.
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #182  
People complain that DEF and DPF and EGR make diesels so complicated that they rather pay more for gas, than pay upfront for Diesel and then fear emission technology breakdowns down the road. But the Ecoboost has direct gasoline injection, which is quite as complicated as emission technology on todays Diesels.
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #183  
From what I have read, the EcoBoost is built like a diesel, so it should be able to handle the power long term.
IIRC, the 2.7L and the V2 3.5L have a CGI block like the 6.7L Diesel.

Aaron Z

The 2.7L is CGI, but the 3.5L as well as the Gen 2 3.5L are both aluminum. I expected the Gen 2 3.5L to go CGI, but according to a Ford video I saw, they stuck with Al.
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #184  
People complain that DEF and DPF and EGR make diesels so complicated that they rather pay more for gas, than pay upfront for Diesel and then fear emission technology breakdowns down the road. But the Ecoboost has direct gasoline injection, which is quite as complicated as emission technology on todays Diesels.
Ah, so gas direct injection motors are complex but diesel direct injection is somehow simpler? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Our Cruze turbodiesels and the Ecoboost are both direct injection.
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #185  
Ah, so gas direct injection motors are complex but diesel direct injection is somehow simpler? Makes no sense whatsoever.

"quite as complicated" means equal complexity, no more, no less. Its not what i just said that makes no sense, but your comprehensive reading ;)
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #186  
"quite as complicated" means equal complexity, no more, no less. Its not what i just said that makes no sense, but your comprehensive reading ;)
I see, so I must have misunderstood "while direct gas injection is an extra complication for the gas engine."

Carry on, this is great.
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #187  
People complain that DEF and DPF and EGR make diesels so complicated that they rather pay more for gas, than pay upfront for Diesel and then fear emission technology breakdowns down the road. But the Ecoboost has direct gasoline injection, which is quite as complicated as emission technology on todays Diesels.

VW announced the other day starting 2017 they will start putting Gasoline Particulate Filters/GPF. They are starting with a new engine design and they will be on all of their cars by 2020. So looks like gas powered vehicles are next for this emissions stuff.
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #188  
VW announced the other day starting 2017 they will start putting Gasoline Particulate Filters/GPF. They are starting with a new engine design and they will be on all of their cars by 2020. So looks like gas powered vehicles are next for this emissions stuff.


I thought that's what the catalytic converter was?? I guess they can go farther and make it like the diesel regerating DPFs. Diesel drivers are usually more attentive to vehicles and understand these things. Can you imagine the normal gas drive having to put DPF fluid or whatever in their car!!! I guess they put gas in so they can put an extra fluid in when its about to run out on their gauge?
 
   / Ford to try their hand at a diesel 1/2 ton? #189  
The 2.7L is CGI, but the 3.5L as well as the Gen 2 3.5L are both aluminum. I expected the Gen 2 3.5L to go CGI, but according to a Ford video I saw, they stuck with Al.

The gen II ecoboost is CGI, the gen I ecoboost is aluminum.
 
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