Fuel safety

/ Fuel safety #1  

KCB

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In lieu of the recent fueling incident in Texas, I thought this link might be of some interest. I think all of us are often complacent with fuel handling. It's surprising what we can get by with but often devastating when we don't. I can't imagine my kids being strapped in car seats while I'm on fire, and the car is essentially a mollitoff (sp?) cocktail.

Have a safe Holiday and happy tractoring!


http://www.pei.org/static/index.htm
 
/ Fuel safety #2  
Since the Texas fueling accident, I have seen news footage of several fueling fires, and there seems to be a common occurance that has not been mentioned. I believe that in every case the fuel handle has been locked down for continious fueling, because in each case, even after the person has caught fire and dropped the hose, the fuel continues to flow. Perhaps they should do away with that lock.
 
/ Fuel safety #3  
The incidents also mention people putting rocks, gas caps, etc. in the handle of the filler nozzle to block them open. If there were no continuos fill feature, people would just find something else to block it open so it can't shut off. As the web site says, if people would follow three simple steps, there'd be no problem

1. Turn Off Engine
2. Don't Smoke
3. Never Re-enter Your Vehicle
 
/ Fuel safety #5  
I assumed he was talking about an incident that made all the TV news lately in which a fellow was standing in the bed of his pickup filling some fuel cans (metal cans I would guess, although that was not stated in any of the news accounts I watched) in Austin, Texas. Apparently, static electricity made a spark as he touched the nozzle to a can, he flinched without turning loose of the handle on the nozzle, sprayed a little gasoline in the bed of the truck, he was standing in it, so he jumped out of the truck with both legs on fire, ran in front of the truck, and bystanders yelled at him to fall and roll, and a couple of the bystanders beat the fire out with some kind of towels or clothing. Someone was filming the incident, but not the best pictures you've ever seen. The guy was recently interviewed in the hospital for another news story. He's going to recover, but it's going to be a tough row to hoe. However, I never did find that story on the site cited.
 
/ Fuel safety #6  
you also need to watch out for static electricity, you put gas nozzle in car on automatic, hop back in car to keep warm and slide on seat (build up a littlte static), hose stops so you open the door to go remove the nozzle and that little static monster leaps at the nozzle and you now get realy warm. So touch something else first to discharge any static electricity you may have stored on your body before touching the gas nozzles. I guess this happens alot and not many people realy think about it.
 
/ Fuel safety #7  
Every time I get out of my conversion van I stand on the ground. As soon as I touch the door handle or any other unpainted surface on the van I get a pretty good static spark. I am warry of this and always touch something else at the filling station. I've never had a vehicle that did this before. There must be something in the seat material fabric that causes it. It happens EVERY time and I can reproduce it over and over again. Very scary when you think of the consequences.
 
/ Fuel safety #8  
I had a pickup that for some reason was really bad at shocking me when I'd get out. I discovered that if I held the metal on the chromed (inside) door handle till my foot was on the ground, I usually didn't even feel the static. It was still there, but apparently became distributed over a large surface on my hand. Every once in a while, I'd forget the drill, and get stung on the back of my calf as my foot contacted the ground, and I didn't quite clear the door sill with the back of my leg.................chim
 
/ Fuel safety #9  
Around here all the gas pumps tell you to not fill portable gas containers unless the containers are sitting on the ground.

Anyone who saw that footage should never forget that safety tip. Seeing it made me feel and smell things I had not thought about in many years.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to this soldier. I think he is in the best burn center the military has. Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas.
 
/ Fuel safety #10  
I'm guessing the Scotchgard they use on seats nowdays is the culprit. My Dodge used to be really bad about charging me up when it was new. If I discharged myself using the flat of my hand on the door it wasn't bad, I would forget half the time and get about three quarters of an inch of lightning off of the end of my finger when I'd reach for the power door lock button. That stung! Factor in that just about all the switches are tied into the computer or computers on a modern car and it makes me wonder how many multiple undiagnosable electronic failures can be attributed to people discharging high voltage into the system via the ends of their fingers. I've heard that you can lessen or alleviate the problem by spraying liquid fabric softener on the seats but I've never tried it.
 
/ Fuel safety #11  
Yeah chim is on the right track there.

When static is around, I always grab the door frame tight on the way out and THEN put my foot on the ground.

No zaps !!!
 
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#12  
Rather than Scotchgard, I think it's just the synthetic materials they use now. You can also buy anti -static spray for your car seats that work pretty well. 'Same stuff women use on their clothes to prevent static cling. Also, high mileage tires increase static build-up because of their low carbon content.

I wish they had asked for more details from the victim of that Texas incident. I'm just assuming that he had a vinyl bed liner and was dragging his feet around generating a charge on himself, which discharge to the can or nozzle.
 
/ Fuel safety #14  
I can recall about 15 years or so ago stopping at a stop sign and seeing something out of the corner of my eye, a ball of fire! A guy was filling his car up with gas, not allowed in NJ, and was smoking! He was running around on fire! Other people were just standing around watching this guy burn! Well I jumped out of the car, and ran over and tackled the guy to the ground and rolled him around until the gas station attended dosed both of us with a hose. He was burned, second degree on the face and hands, thankfully I was not injured. Being a volunteer firefighter I know how painful a burn is and did not think of my own safety, but looking back, now older and wiser??, I could have been burned too. You know the guy never came by or looked me up to say thank you, oh well …the life of a volunteer firefighter..

Be safe.

Tom
 
/ Fuel safety #15  
WOW! Since that guy didn't thank you, I will /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Volunteers are the greatest!!!
 
/ Fuel safety #16  
LACKLAND AIR FORCE BASE, Texas -- A 50-year-old retired technical sergeant was severely burned on both legs recently after static electricity ignited gasoline as he filled gas cans in the bed of his pickup truck at the base shoppette here.

Lackland Fire Chief J.L. Ball said a placard on the gasoline pumps warns motorists to put gas cans on the ground to fill them, but people might not notice them.

In a video taken by the Army and Air Force Exchange Service store's security camera, four bystanders are shown frantically using their own clothing to help put out the flames burning on the man's gasoline-soaked pants legs and shoes.


Tech. Sgt. Ed Jones, a Warrior Week instructor and one of the bystanders, removed his battle dress uniform top and wrapped it around the man's legs to help extinguish the flames, but they kept re-igniting. Thinking quickly, he pulled a window cleaner reservoir from a rack at the pump and poured the water on the man's legs.

A shoppette mechanic rushed the man to nearby Wilford Hall Medical Center in his pickup. Jones, who accompanied the man, also was treated for minor burns he received as he smothered flames.

Safety officials long have warned people not to fill gas cans sitting inside vehicles or in truck beds because of the danger of gasoline vapors being ignited by static electricity.

Another hazard reported recently is getting back into a car and not touching a metal ground before returning to the refueling nozzle and causing a static electricity spark.

In a video of the incident, the man is seen standing in the bed of his pickup as he fills five 5-gallon gas cans (three plastic and two metal) over a period of several minutes before a flash fire erupts.

Lt. Col. Brian Mullin, a former safety officer at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, is seen driving up to an adjacent pump and starting to fill his vehicle when he notices what the man is doing just before the fire.

Mullin, now undergoing instructor pilot training at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas, said the retiree "did one of the classic things you shouldn't do ... refueling external gas cans (above ground) with plastic or rubber shoes on. This is an extremely textbook case of static electricity igniting an instantaneous fire.

"I was moving my lips to tell him, 'Sir, don't do that,' when the first flame started in the back of his truck," added Mullin.

"I saw the flame, and I told him to jump," he said. "He dropped the hose, which sprayed gas all over the truck. I told him to jump and run, which would have been really a good thing to do, but instead, he tried to throw the 5-gallon can that he had just fueled out the back to get it away from his truck, and that started the whole area on fire.

"So now he's on fire, the back of the truck's on fire, and the can that just hit the ground started a big fire behind the truck."

The man ran between the burning truck and the pump toward the store before he dropped and rolled on the pavement.

Mullin ran after the man, ripping off his two T-shirts to beat out the burning clothes, "but they did not do much good because they (caught) on fire," he said.

Jones ran to use his BDU top on the flames, and another man and a woman also helped the retiree.

Firefighters arrived on scene within two minutes and extinguished the blazing truck five minutes after arriving.

Ball said the damage to the AAFES fuel pump was estimated at $10,000 to $15,000 and to the retiree's 1993 Mazda pickup, $2,500. The retiree, who received third-degree burns of his legs below the knees, later was transferred to local Brooke Army Medical Center's burn unit for further treatment.
 
/ Fuel safety #17  
Ever here of this with diesel?

I bet it could happen but diesel is much harder to ignite.

So how would you fill a metal 55 gallon drum with diesel in the back of the pickup?
My suggestion:
A) Ground the drum with a strap of wire that you clip one end to the pump and the other to the drum.
B) fill the drum as is in the truck.

Also how many of you fill a two tank diesel truck while it runs?
Lots of folks do this. What do you guys think?

Fred
 
/ Fuel safety #18  
never heard of it with diesel, has much higher flash point. But then, there is always that chance of ignition with flammables.
 
/ Fuel safety #19  
Let me add to that, flammable is liquids that ignite under 100 degrees, cumbustable is over 100. I believe diesel comes under that category.
 
/ Fuel safety #20  
Just a quick story, no damage done PTL. I was filling 2 plastic gas tanks that I use to refill my boat here in MD. I had the cans in the back of my truck with plastic liner, filling them in the bed. Didn't know better at the time. As I was filling them up I noticed a huge build up of static electricity on the outside of the plastic jugs. It felt like the balloons you'd rub on your head when you were a kid to stick them to the ceiling. Anyway, nothing ignited, but later I wondered how close I may have come to a life changing event. bw
 

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