Gas from water? - A delusion, or maybe not.

[Tig]

I like your idea Larry. The only thing I would change is get rid of the battery since it could provide extra energy.

 

[SPYDERLK]

I like your idea Larry. The only thing I would change is get rid of the battery since it could provide extra energy.

Regular old batt chargers have a lot of ripple - the battery would smooth it. Best tho, would be a real constant-voltage-constant-current lab power supply. Good quality DC w adjustable output. Great if you got one.
larry

 

[turnkey4099]

It was was under 'Turbodiesel'
Turbodiesel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Turbocharging is the norm rather than the exception in modern car diesel engines........ These improvements in power, fuel economy and Noise, Vibration, and Harshness in both small- and large-capacity turbodiesels over the last decade have spurred their widespread adoption in certain markets".

Thanks. The one I found I got through Google.

Although it starts out by including 'economy' the write up does not support it. It repeatedly states that additional fuel is used when the turbo is working. One place it even states that when the turbo is not working, the economy isn't quite what the same engine normally aspirated would pull.

Any economy would be relying on using a smaller engine and staying out of boost.

Harry K

 

[VA_Joe]

I believe the current price of LPG is based on supply and demand. If suddenly there were thousands more cars on the road using LPG then the demand would go up and so would the price. Road taxes on LPG would be increased to equal those on gasoline and suddenly LPG would be more than gasoline.

If you use LPG, SHHHHH, don't tell anyone or you will drive the price up.

It's all supply and demand. Natural gas used to be cheap and plentiful until the clean air act forced power companies to go natural gas on new power plants (vice coal). This caused the price of natural gas used for home heating to skyrocket. The same will happen to propane with increased demand. Also - since propane is one of many byproducts of the oil refining process - it is subject to many of the same pricing pressures as gasoline and diesel.

 

[Reg]

20amps /1.7 litres sounds fair. Don't want to be accused of making it too easy.

Now the next step is to feed that hydroxy gas into the airflow, which then mixes with the petrol to create a concoction that has God only knows what combustion properties. Where does your equation go from here?

I don't have the other side of the equation, I was just offering the 280 Watts side as a starting point for discussion.

I think the Oxygen component can probably be discounted HEAVILY.
As I said earlier, there are relatively inexpensive mature techniques for cramming a LOT more air into engines of any given displacement - turbo or superchargers.
So what is the hydrogen component "worth" ?

On the subject of why engineers aren't doing x,y, or z;
It is generally true that engineers engineer (verb).
WHAT they engineer is decided by policy makers, who are driven by financial goals.
I don't take the fact that a company with engineers doesn't do something to mean that their engineers couldn't do that thing, or that the laws of nature would need to be repealed in order to allow it to be done.

C'mon will SOMEBODY please tell us what the hydrogen portion of the 1.7 l per minute could contribute when exploded in however much air it would take ?


One more OPINION, since we are going in several different directions with this thread.
Measuring fuel consumption is incredibly difficult to do with any precision.
Day to day variations in temperature, humidity, traffic, head wind, load, stop lights,,,,,,,, can all add to make for the worst case, or off-set each other.
On my duramax I have the detailed gauge set and a scan gauge II, I do WATCH my "instantaneous consumption" a lot while driving and I'm fairly sure it affects my driving style (favorably).
I can not say with much certainty why I sometimes get 16 MPG when towing and other times get 14. I would like to believe that when it is good it is because I have driven well and when it is bad it is because of factors beyond my control, but...
Anyway, experiments in which one plays the role of lab rat as well as experimenter rarely produce credible results.
So yes, I do think there is a high risk of self delusion in the group that claim measurable improvements in MPG.

Say, "double blind" and I'll listen more attentively.

 

[Egon]

Add proper accredited testing facility and then we should be getting close!

 

[MossRoad]

Add proper accredited testing facility and then we should be getting close!

Your place or mine?

(We're still talking about drinking it, right?)

 

[MossRoad]

Your place or mine?

(We're still talking about drinking it, right?)

OOPs, that was the corn to fuel thread.

 

[Egon]

Definitely my place Moss. Got the prefect spot in mind already!

 

[MossRoad]

Definitely my place Moss. Got the prefect spot in mind already!

Yes! Double blind testing could work there. Well, maybe not blind, but impared, for sure!