gear vs. hydro for pulling tiller

millertime · Sep 5, 2005

( Boom.. I'm not disputing your claims.. but looking back at the archives here.. there are MANY MANY instances of messages about people relief setting popping off low.. and leaving tractors stranded at the bottom of hills. Some of these were plain incorrect relief settings.. etc.. some were not. )
( took half an hour of searching to pull that up.. I'm done with it.. points proven 
)

The only point you proved is you can't prove nothing about many hydro's failing...maybe one failure at the best..never say it unless you can back it up.
 there are MANY MANY instances of messages about people relief setting popping off low..

froggy · Sep 5, 2005

Here is a link about it: hydro

millertime · Sep 5, 2005

( had a partial check on tractor today by a fellow who is a tractor technician for a farm equipment co....but he is a New Holland guy..not Orange. Says everything looks ok as far as he can tell, no leaks, or any malfunction on pumps and reservoir. I think he agrees that maybe something happened with the hyd. log splitter and maybe i just happen to get it in a 'freaky' position on that slope where the fluid just got below the top of intake and air got in it...but...anyway, I'll not be using it until i get it to Kubota dealer. )

Thanks froggy. That post does not say anything about hydro's in general..except 1 hydro could not get up the hill for some unknown reason and the poster never did get back and say what exactly was wrong. The New Holland service tech did not even have a clue. One incident does not justify saying there are ( there are MANY MANY instances of messages about people relief setting popping )

Nothing proved there on that post.

Soundguy · Sep 6, 2005

Did you miss the post about the fellow skidding logs that had his hydro relif pop? It was message # 654423

Look.. I have a job.. I'm not going to search back thru 700,000+ messages to find every instance of a hydro relief popping. In short.. I said it could happen.. you said prove it.. I did.. end of story. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Soundguy

millertime · Sep 6, 2005

Post 654423 ( Yes, there sure is. On my CK20, it's set for 240 bar. When pulling trees, I've often hit the limit. Sometimes I hit it when pulling the BB and grab some tough roots. Larger tractors generally have higher PRV settings and it won't be as noticable. ) 

Here is your post: Post 722753 ( Boom.. I'm not disputing your claims.. but looking back at the archives here.. but looking back at the archives here.. there are MANY MANY instances of messages about people relief setting popping off low and leaving tractors stranded at the bottom of hills. Some of these were plain incorrect relief settings.. etc.. some were not. ) 

I am disputing your claim of many many many instances .
Read my post 728520 ( The only point you proved is you can't prove nothing about many hydro's failing ...maybe one failure at the best..never say it unless you can back it up. ) I am referring to your exageration of the amount of reliefs popping off. Not the 1 you could refer me to.

Now you explain to me how 1 pop off relief on a tractor turns into many many many pop off reliefs with tractors setting at the bottom of the hill. What do you consider to be many ?

Soundguy · Sep 6, 2005

I'm breaking my own rule here.. by replying to this post.. as it seems troll-ish..( 7 of your 8 posts have been basically negative/antagonistic towards me, froggy, and jerryg .. that and no bio info..) however.... giving the benefit of doubt...

( I am referring to your exageration of the amount of reliefs popping off. Not the 1 you could refer me to )

Look.. I think you are being unrealistic here.... you wanted proof positive.. I dug far enough to show you an instance of a relief popping prematurely. Myself, and other members have metioned that we recall other posts... you want them.. go dig for them... I actually have to work for a living... It took long enough just to dig back to may of this year to find that post.

Keep in mind that many of us are transplants from other boards... it's entirely possible I/we may be remembering something previous to this board. We are human.. my brain does not log date/time of every piece of data it ever gathers... I think I was doing good to show you an -example- of what my post refered to.

I think you are being unreasonable and a tad agressive at that.. this is a hobby board.. what do you want?? blood?

Many? On a serious problem? Any number could be many... How many space shuttles exploding is too many? 1 is too many...

Like I said.. In my opinion a relief popping before max power is transfered is a bad flaw.. that in and of itself is 'too many' if you get right down to it.

A bad clutch is one thing.. that's a wear item. If it wears.. you adjust/replace it. A relief valve is not a wear issue.. if it is set too low.. or not working.. it's a flaw from the dealer/manufacturer.. depending ont he circumstances... baring of course.. tampering by the owner.. etc.

I'm going back to reading again... don't bother replying to me on this issue.. I consider it done.. you badgered me sufficiently to waste a few hours searching for an example.. I found one.. now it's not good enough... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Soundguy

Cactus · Sep 6, 2005

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Soundguy · Sep 6, 2005

Cactus.. i can't imagine why you are jumping on the dead horse band wagon.... It seems this thread has ventured far enough off course that I'm also wondering why it is still here.

Ok.. for all the real 'retentive' types here.. I was trying to get across the point that in certain circumstances, a relief can pop before max power is reached.. vs a gear unit that would either have to have the clutch slip, gear brake, or engine stall .. etc...

In my mind.. I could immediatly recall a couple such posts of an issue with a hydro .. the one was the log skidding.. obviously from that same thread was the other I had been thinking of.. the machine not climbing the hill.. and in the end.. not much of a definate answer.

To that I point that if the machine at the bottom of the hill had been a gear unit.. a few quick checks could have deffinately told you if it was a slipping clutch... and at least isolate it to that issue.

I'm not goin to debate semantics on the word 'many'.. it is a plural reference.. In my opinion.. if a hydro fails in a way like I mentioned... that really sticks out as a sore thumb.. to have read about 2 instances of that failure.. or a similar... if not completely diagnosed one.. that makes a double sore thumb...

I've said my piece.. Please don't respond to me.. As I'll no longer respond to you either on this issue. I'ts been beat about as much as you can beat a subject.

Would it make you feel better if I officially 'retract and edit my previous statement for the sake of clarity for the extremely 'retentive' group...
replace instances of 'many' simply with multiple...

Even better.. for the supremly retentive.. how about.. 'some or any occourence'..

I think that should just about cover all the eventualities and bury this poor dead horse.

And just as a further clarification.. I stick to the original intent of my post... "any occourance" of a hydro lifting before max power is reached seems to me like a flaw.. perhaps even a dangerous flaw.. that's why I'm not a fan of fluid motive power
on my tractor... when I hit the throttle.. I want a : stall condition, a loss of traction, or a mechanical breakage ( clutch slip / gear issue ). That's obviously my opinion.. and why my tractors are all gear... I'm not trying to imply that one is 'better' than the other.. just pointing out a 'known' issue that has surfaced here.. I also realize that many people like hydro.. and many tasks are probably more suited to being completed with a hydro unit. I'm not disputing that.. I think we can safly count that as a 'given'.

There.. done.. I've said my piece.. anyone else who wants to beat the dead horse.. give me a break.. address it to someone else...

Soundguy

JerryG · Sep 6, 2005

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Soundguy · Sep 6, 2005

Gosh Jerry.. you keep digging up posts about hydro problems like I did and you too will be branded a heretic...

I just love that post by jinman and the "recent number of posts" about hydrostatic problems.. Hmm.. makes ya wonder... I see you had to go back to 2004 for those... I only went back to may 2005 for mine...

Thanks for the reading. i can only imagine how much searching that took. I vaguely remember that thread.. but then.. i guess i shoul.. I posted in it... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Soundguy