General question

[retiredmgn]

Being a group of generally smart people here I would like to throw out a couple of questions that I'm stumped on. It relates back to that tv show on quantum physics.
1. What's on the other side of infinity?
2. What was going on in the minutes just before the big bang?
This one is not as foolish as the first. We can measure, by the red shift, the universe is expanding. Which brings me back to the first question.

Just wondering how much gas I should line up for my tractor.
It appears we are in for a really long trip.

 

[hr3]

Hmm one ponders ..
The first of your questions the general consensus is that Black Holes would be the answer,,

Then you have the big bang.. The simple answer is that we do not know. All we can do is conjecture. Conditions just after the Big Bang were so extreme that we cannot test theories that purport to describe the first 10-43 seconds of the universe's existence. It follows, therefore, that we cannot even be sure about the Big Bang itself.

If anything did exist, or "was going on", prior to the Big Bang, we can never know for certain. There are various theories - the universe expanding from a quantum fluctuation, and a cyclic expansion and contraction to a Big Crunch to name but 2. No information from before the Big Bang (if there was any information then, or even if there was a "then") can ever reach us so it will forever remain in the realms of theory and supposition.

It will be interesting to see the next posts,,,

 

[ken4831]

Being a group of generally smart people here I would like to throw out a couple of questions that I'm stumped on. It relates back to that tv show on quantum physics.
1. What's on the other side of infinity?
2. What was going on in the minutes just before the big bang?
This one is not as foolish as the first. We can measure, by the red shift, the universe is expanding. Which brings me back to the first question.

Just wondering how much gas I should line up for my tractor.
It appears we are in for a really long trip.

1. Rapture of beleivers.
2. A elec. spark.

I purchase diesel in 55 gal. barrows and have purchased tractors cheaper than todays asking price.
But am not planning to return horse or mule to maintain the farm.
This past week have hauled to junk/salvage yard worn past the point of repair and old farm equiptment . 4000 lbs =200 bucks =1 barrow of diesel.
I agree it will be a long expensive trip. and the only group that will come out ahead live over seas.
ken

 

[om21braz]

1 - I suggest there is no other side to infinity, although there is a great gulf fixed.

2 - I also IMHO suggest to you, there was no "Big Bang". To believe that is to believe that order can come from chaos. It did not happen that way any more than an explosion of a huge box of alphabetical characters could create a Webster's dictionary.

 

[DAY]

"Time" is a human construct; "minutes/hours/days/years" are determined by the particular physics of our solar system, and have no meaning outside of it.

Mr. Einstein tells us that time and space are interrelated, as in the Time/Space Continuum. I believe some books are available on this topic.

 

[retiredmgn]

Thank you for thought provoking replies.
I remember a series on PBS authored by Carl Sagen. He coined the phrase, "billions and billions of stars". In one episode he talked of the 'flatlanders'. A society based in a two dimensional world. Inhabitants could go right, left, forward, backwards but had no concept of 'up'. One day a flatlander got knocked into the air and for the first time experienced a view of Flatland from the air. Needless to say his story was mocked by those who had not experienced 'up'.
An interesting parable to what might happen to us 3 dimensional characters if we were given a chance to see something 'else'.
I'm locked in time and space to the point I have to believe there is a road sign, "Caution, you have reached the end of eternity. Pass at your own risk"

Road trip. :confused2:
:thumbsup:

 

[Chuck52]

The universe, and infinity, are clearly mobius constructs; there are no other sides.

Chuck

 

[KPark]

Seeing as breaking up matter produces large amounts of energy, and conversely, creating matter consumes a large amount of energy, then exactly what is it that exists between the two forms and was that the state of the known universe (infinite gravity negates passage of time) until some sort of upset blew the whole equilibrium and created what we now know? In other words, time was only a construct that started as a result of the "Big Bang", and the "what was before" will have to wait until our understanding reaches deeper into universal laws.

 

[retiredmgn]

The universe, and infinity, are clearly mobius constructs; there are no other sides.

Chuck[/QUOTE

I hadn't run into this word, "mobius". Wasn't in my dictionary, had to Google it. Interesting. At first glance this appears to be Einstien's 'Space is curved philosophy'. My problem with that is it maintains a three dimensional view. Keep going long enough and you'll come back to where you started.
There's something else going on here. Several have mentioned black holes. These seem a good jumping off point. We know they are there. They are observalble and measurabel. The bit about light not not being to exit is suspect - if you havn't been there how would you know?
I once read if you were in a spaceship and entered a black hole you would be traveling at the speed of light. However, to an observer you would be forever poised at the lip of the black hole. That's heddy stuff but approachable. Faster you go the more time slows. Proven with atomic clocks aboard jets.

 

[groundcover]

1. Not sure but it must be greener ! Talk about the other side of the fence !

2. Two aliens had just said " hold my beer and watch this " !