archerynut
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For ammo I also have had good luck with Federal (Hydrashocks I think) for personal defense. For target shoooting I use the cheaper brands like Magtech.
Getting a .45 pistol
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"Originally Posted by dmccarty
I don't like Glocks for two reasons. My understanding is that the trigger has to be pulled to take the weapon apart to clean it. The trigger should do one thing and one thing only. And it ain't taking the pistol apart.
The one time I handled a Glock the empty magazine would not fall out of the pistol without being swept out of the well with the weak hand. Not good. This was just one pistol and I don't remember the model so maybe its not a Glock thing.
Dan"
The trigger has to be "decocked" to remove the slide. I can't think of any handgun that can be disassembled when cocked. As the Glock doesn't have an external hammer, the trigger does need to be pulled.
The Glock manual state to check the chamber...check again, then point the gun in a safe direction and pull the trigger.
If the gun isn't cocked...no, you do not have to pull the trigger for disassembly.
As far as the magazine "sticking", this is actually in the design of the older magazines. The European's preferred the magazine to be retained by the gun when empty (one can control the mag then). Any older Glock will do this (such as my old GLock 17). New style magazines drop free.
So, this wasn't a defect...just part of the gun's design (due to what the Customer's expected).
I don't like Glocks for two reasons. My understanding is that the trigger has to be pulled to take the weapon apart to clean it. The trigger should do one thing and one thing only. And it ain't taking the pistol apart.
The one time I handled a Glock the empty magazine would not fall out of the pistol without being swept out of the well with the weak hand. Not good. This was just one pistol and I don't remember the model so maybe its not a Glock thing.
Dan"
The trigger has to be "decocked" to remove the slide. I can't think of any handgun that can be disassembled when cocked. As the Glock doesn't have an external hammer, the trigger does need to be pulled.
The Glock manual state to check the chamber...check again, then point the gun in a safe direction and pull the trigger.
If the gun isn't cocked...no, you do not have to pull the trigger for disassembly.
As far as the magazine "sticking", this is actually in the design of the older magazines. The European's preferred the magazine to be retained by the gun when empty (one can control the mag then). Any older Glock will do this (such as my old GLock 17). New style magazines drop free.
So, this wasn't a defect...just part of the gun's design (due to what the Customer's expected).
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Well said RoyJ.
I never owned an "older" version, so I wasn't aware that they were designed to do that. Thanks for the enlightenment.
KubotaSteve,
Congrats on your purchase! Post some pics when you can.
Also, don't let those anti-technology (laser) guys talk you out of a prospective purchase. The laser is awesome, aligned true and where the dot is, the bullet goes. I find that invaluable at night, in my home, when the possibility of an assailant or burglar having a gun to do me bodily harm, warrants me having faster target acquisition than he does. I'll take any tactical advantage I can get, and if the dot scares him off before I have to shoot...so be it, I don't want to have to kill anyone anyhow.
The analogy of not buying it until after you've fired 10k rounds is crazy. It's like telling a fighter pilot not to use missiles until he masters guns, or don't use RADAR because it's cheating...and on and on. I bet those same guys have scopes on their rifles too, what about those iron sights for the old schoolers. Gimme a break.
I'm not against anyone learning the finer points of shooting via regular sights. Truth is, the LaserMax sight has an on/off switch!
Being an owner of other firearms, I'm sure you know how to shoot. Use your judgement. Make the choice because you made the decision. In the end, it's you and the bad guy!
Good luck,
Podunk
Well said RoyJ.
I never owned an "older" version, so I wasn't aware that they were designed to do that. Thanks for the enlightenment.
KubotaSteve,
Congrats on your purchase! Post some pics when you can.
Also, don't let those anti-technology (laser) guys talk you out of a prospective purchase. The laser is awesome, aligned true and where the dot is, the bullet goes. I find that invaluable at night, in my home, when the possibility of an assailant or burglar having a gun to do me bodily harm, warrants me having faster target acquisition than he does. I'll take any tactical advantage I can get, and if the dot scares him off before I have to shoot...so be it, I don't want to have to kill anyone anyhow.
The analogy of not buying it until after you've fired 10k rounds is crazy. It's like telling a fighter pilot not to use missiles until he masters guns, or don't use RADAR because it's cheating...and on and on. I bet those same guys have scopes on their rifles too, what about those iron sights for the old schoolers. Gimme a break.
I'm not against anyone learning the finer points of shooting via regular sights. Truth is, the LaserMax sight has an on/off switch!
Being an owner of other firearms, I'm sure you know how to shoot. Use your judgement. Make the choice because you made the decision. In the end, it's you and the bad guy!
Good luck,
Podunk
hudlow
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Get several different types of ammo and see which one works best for your gun and your shooting style.
Once you find that particular ammo - stick with it.
That being said, I've always had good luck with the Speer Gold Dot line of ammo.
But, I'd rather have a magazine full of ball target ammo that I shot well than one full of the latest popular whiz bang, expanding talon, black death, paralyzer +P+ stuff that I wasn't too sure about.
Good choice on the firearm.
Now I need to get one.
hud
Let us know how it shoots.
Once you find that particular ammo - stick with it.
That being said, I've always had good luck with the Speer Gold Dot line of ammo.
But, I'd rather have a magazine full of ball target ammo that I shot well than one full of the latest popular whiz bang, expanding talon, black death, paralyzer +P+ stuff that I wasn't too sure about.
Good choice on the firearm.
Now I need to get one.
hud
Let us know how it shoots.
dmccarty
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That confuses me. The manual tells you that you should point the gun in a safe direction and pull the trigger as part of its cleaning procedure? So how to you decock the Glock? By pulling the trigger?RoyJackson said:
As far as I'm concerned this is just bad design. What good does an empty magazine do sitting in the pistol AFTER I HIT THE magazine release. So you are in a fire fight, your need a magazine change, you hit the release, and the mag sits there. So then you have to reach up, pull out the magazine, reach back down to get a full magazine, insert same and NOW you are good to go. That stuck mag just cost some very precious time. It may have gotten me killed. An empty magazine needs to be in the air or on the ground not stuck in a pistol.RoyJackson said:
As I said before, these things may not matter to you but they matter to me. And it seems like Glock fixed the magazine problem which is goodness. But people should be aware of these things. It may or may not matter to them but they should have the information to make a buying decision.
Some pistols will fire with the magazine in the pistol. Some will not. Some people think one is good and the other is bad. The owner needs to know what their weapon will do.
Later,
Dan
MikePA
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Glock customers in Europe disagreed. They thought it was a good design.dmccarty said:
Maybe they were at the range target shooting more often than they were in fire fights and they didn't like the clip dropping on the ground. Who knows.dmccarty said:
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"That confuses me. The manual tells you that you should point the gun in a safe direction and pull the trigger as part of its cleaning procedure? So how to you decock the Glock? By pulling the trigger?"
Yes, that's how you decock a Glock...pulling the trigger. Perfectly safe (done it for 20 years now)..just check the chamber...check it again, then pull (in a safe direction).
I don't know why the Europeans preferred the magazines to be held in the magazine well. Maybe so the magazine wasn't lost (when dropped).
The Glock is a European gun (Austrian) that was originally designed as a military side arm. Just as the U.S. Military has stringent requirements for weapons (and everything else), so do the Europeans. It might not make sense to you, dmccarty...but it made sense to the European military.
Yes, that's how you decock a Glock...pulling the trigger. Perfectly safe (done it for 20 years now)..just check the chamber...check it again, then pull (in a safe direction).
I don't know why the Europeans preferred the magazines to be held in the magazine well. Maybe so the magazine wasn't lost (when dropped).
The Glock is a European gun (Austrian) that was originally designed as a military side arm. Just as the U.S. Military has stringent requirements for weapons (and everything else), so do the Europeans. It might not make sense to you, dmccarty...but it made sense to the European military.
RobertN
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I would not worry about using a laser right away; should not be a problem.
I would offer though, that a user should be proficient with the basic operation of the weapon, which includes iron sights. If you can use it proficiently with iron sights, you can use it with any sight system.
If you battery goes dead, the switch fails, the laser get knocked out of alignment, you should still be able to proficiently use the weapon.
Same goes for hiking. A GPS is great, but it is still worth having regular compass in your backpack, and knowing how to use it. If your GPS gets dropped, or the batteries fail, you should still be able to use a basic compass and map.
nothing wrong with the high end technology at all. Nothing replaces the basic skills though.
IMHO, of course
I would offer though, that a user should be proficient with the basic operation of the weapon, which includes iron sights. If you can use it proficiently with iron sights, you can use it with any sight system.
If you battery goes dead, the switch fails, the laser get knocked out of alignment, you should still be able to proficiently use the weapon.
Same goes for hiking. A GPS is great, but it is still worth having regular compass in your backpack, and knowing how to use it. If your GPS gets dropped, or the batteries fail, you should still be able to use a basic compass and map.
nothing wrong with the high end technology at all. Nothing replaces the basic skills though.
IMHO, of course
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GaryM
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I shoot pretty much all Winchester White Box (Value Pack) in my XD40 for IDPA competition. Never had any issues at all. Feeds fine and goes where I want it to, if I do my part of course. For carry I've been using hydroshocks. Be sure that they feed well in your pistol though. Fire at least one box, maybe two. If there are any problems at all, don't depend on them. Try something else instead.
