Getting the wheel/tire combination I want on a new tractor

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I just delivered a 5145 to a customer last Friday w industrials.
The rims are non adjustable but are super wide.
They simply are coming from the factory like this.

 

[jyoutz]

You can get wide (or narrow) R-1’s with higher load capacities for loader work. I have some pretty heavy duty R-1’s on mine

I like those wide and heavy duty R1s, but those aren’t offered as an option on most new tractors, just the narrow R1s with lighter duty sidewalls that flex. What wheels do you have those wide R1s mounted on? Since they are wider, would they mount on R4 wheels?

 

[Torvy]

I like those wide and heavy duty R1s, but those aren’t offered as an option on most new tractors, just the narrow R1s with lighter duty sidewalls that flex. What wheels do you have those wide R1s mounted on? Since they are wider, would they mount on R4 wheels?

After I saw Hay Dude's post I searched for 16.9-24 and found some. They run between ~$700 and $750 a tire. They were a few places. This one had choices. Not an endorsement as I have no idea if they are reputable.

Tractor Tires

www.tiremart.com

 

[Hay Dude]

After I saw Hay Dude's post I searched for 16.9-24 and found some. They run between ~$700 and $750 a tire. They were a few places. This one had choices. Not an endorsement as I have no idea if they are reputable.

Tractor Tires

www.tiremart.com

There’s also brands that have additional plies in the sidewall and tread or offer higher load ratings.
Kubota has BKT brand. They are optional wider width.
Challenger has CEAT brand. They are stock width or maybe slightly wider.
Neither are considered high quality. They’re just average radials.

I like the wider rubber for hay fields and soft ground. IMO, they also seem to handle loads better than narrow for a loader.

The Massey & the Magnum have mid-width tires.

 

[ptsg]

Here is a good example of what Hay Dude is saying. Standard R1 vs R1 Radial tires. Noticeable different not only in footprint but comfort, wear, performance, and so on.

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[Torvy]

Good info, I am planning on placing my order in a couple of weeks. Spring Break starts the 10th of March and I am hoping I can time delivery for that week.

I wonder if I could have my dealer upgrade the tires to one of these? Essentially 'trade in' my brand new factory tires for a wide R1 with 8 ply. Wider stance is more comfortable (from a pucker factor at least) and you have a bit more float. For my applications, it may be a good balance between traction, stability and durability.

 

[Torvy]

Here is a good example of what Hay Dude is saying. Standard R1 vs R1 Radial tires. Noticeable different not only in footprint but comfort, wear, performance, and so on.

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Is it safe to assume the narrower R1 has better traction though? I'm not a physics expert, but i would think same power over less area. That may be situational though.

 

[ptsg]

Is it safe to assume the narrower R1 has better traction though? I'm not a physics expert, but i would think same power over less area. That may be situational though.

The R1 Radial will provide a lot more traction. Hard to tell from the picture but it has slightly deeper lugs and just the overall footprint makes a big difference.

Plus, these tires run at very low pressures to the point that you may look at it and think you have a flat tire but it isn't. It will squat a lot and it's meant to run that way and increases traction big time.

 

[Hay Dude]

Is it safe to assume the narrower R1 has better traction though? I'm not a physics expert, but i would think same power over less area. That may be situational though.

It is situational. Depends on the conditions and what you are doing. Generally, I think the wider has more advantages overall as a tire than the narrow. The wider will do less damage in terms of compaction.
For most typical TBN tractor operators, the wider tires will do less damage in terms of rut depth. They also give more stability.

 

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The radials were developed for road travel especially in Europe where farmers were traversing from one field to another and using local thruways.
They provided the opportunity for field traction and soft, smoother ride when on hard surfaces at speed.

As HD has stated, they also do not compact soil as much and are easier on the terrain than narrow stiff ags.
A few years ago I read someplace (maybe TBN???) that a guy with radials took his compact on his lawn and proceeded to make a sharp turn.
They could just about tell where the tractor had been. The same maneuver with ags would have certainly left little doubt.
I cannot attest to the veracity of this as I have no experience w radials.