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   / Global Warming News #731  
Big deficits. This is the threat to our nation's future, and our unborn children. Exxon posted 6 billion in profit last quater. Our new national budget is projected to be $3.83Trillion dollars. 6 billion sounds like pocket change now.
 
   / Global Warming News #732  
Then my question still remains unanswered. Perjorative references a term meant to carry a negative effect, so there is a presupposition that whatever is being referenced is negative. I still ask...what is it? What is big oil? Is it a conglomerate of every oil company on the planet? Just a few big ones? Or something altogether different? In fact, you have made my point....it's a term used to attempt to evoke a negative feeling or express distaste, while not having to come up with specific details and reasons.

What risk? Again with the presuppositions.

LMTC, Is Big Oil the same as Big Bread, Big Corn or Big Textile? :D:D:D

The perjorative derives from the threat Big Oil poses to our economy, our national security, the environment, our foreign policy, our land use policy, our transportation policy........
 
   / Global Warming News #733  
Not to worry though, Big Government has been doing this since the Great Society (what Big Government called itself in the olden days). That's when Big Government really grew, when the father figure in many households was replaced by Big Government.

Good Morning Mike,

One of the most onerous aspects of the federal gov't is that they take your tax dollars, then hold you hostage to some program, mandate or regulation inorder for you to get your money back - think of funding for state highways, schools, etc.

I believe much of the current situation is an outgrowth of the federal gov't challenging state's rights during the Great Society and civil rights era. It was a relatively non-violent method of forcing the deep south states to honor the basic principles of our nation for African Americans. It was something that had to be done, we can argue about the method used, but the alternatives are not attractive either. In general, those federal mandates have achieved a measure of success over the past 40 years. Yes, there has also been a lot of carnage along the way.

In an effort to not start the Civil War all over again, the mandates were applied in all states. I would like to see those federal mandates dialed back where they are no longer needed for their original purpose and let local communities make more of their own decisions without being swayed by federal grants or matching funds, or to meet federal requirements.

I do believe there will always be a need for some federal mandates, but it has grown out of control in many areas.

If you consider the federal involvement that is directly or indirectly related to achieving racial equality - a battle against ignorance - it is quite large and has taken on a life of it's own. But then, we had a large problem facing us in that area.

It is interesting, in 20-20 hindsight - to consider this result in light of the framing documents and the sidestepping of the slavery issue at that time. Not to forget there was a real Civil War followed by a bungled Reconstruction, also related to the very same root causes.
Dave.
 
   / Global Warming News #734  
We have millions of business people out there and once in awhile one of them makes the news big time for unlawful behavior and we usually send them to jail.

The ones that get caught didn't get the memo, MONEY TALKS!!!!:D Lets be honest, big dollar people can get away with a heck of a lot more. Even when something does happen they usually buy their way out or are helped out, never gets mentioned.


Compare that with politicians who we elect and reelect to run the country even though they have screwed things up over and over. There is hardly a politician out there I would hire to sell balloons at the county fair. If there is ever a class of people I would smear with a broad brush, it wouldn't be business people, it is politicians, yet they continually get rehired by the electorate.

Hmmmmm makes one wonder why politicians are in bed with corporation????
 
   / Global Warming News #735  
The ones that get caught didn't get the memo, MONEY TALKS!!!!:D Lets be honest, big dollar people can get away with a heck of a lot more. Even when something does happen they usually buy their way out or are helped out, never gets mentioned.

Hmmmmm makes one wonder why politicians are in bed with corporation????

Good Morning 20_20,

Yes, we have equal protection under the law - with a money fudge factor. I don't know how that could be denied. How many wealthy people end up on death row for example? But every year some (literally) poor schmuck gets exonerated when DNA testing shows they were innocent of the crime that put them in prison.
Dave.
 
   / Global Warming News #736  
Good morning Dave1949, I probably should not have wrote anything, but money does talk, especially in our country.
 
   / Global Warming News #737  
Hi all,

Summary of fed budget 2001-2008:

Federal Spending, 2001-2008: Defense Is a Rapidly Growing Share of the Budget, While Domestic Appropriations Have Shrunk — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Defense and related programs have grown far faster than any other area of the budget, while domestic discretionary programs have grown at the slowest rates.
Taking inflation and population into account, the defense/security category has grown 27 times as rapidly as domestic discretionary programs.
The defense/security category also has grown four times as rapidly as all domestic programs combined a category that includes Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the other entitlements, and the domestic discretionary programs.
TABLE 1:
DOMESTIC DISCRETIONARY FUNDING IS A SHRINKING SHARE OF TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS
Share of Total 2001 2008 Change
Defense & security 21.7% 29.2% +7.5%
Social Security, Medicare/caid 45.9% 43.5% -2.4%
Other mandatory programs 14.0% 12.5% -1.4%
Domestic discretionary 18.4% 14.7% -3.7%
Total program costs 100% 100% 0.0%
Notes: Figures may not add due to rounding. The defense/security figures also include veterans, homeland security, and international affairs. Medicare is net of premiums. Figures for 2008 are CBO痴 January estimate plus supplemental discretionary funding requested by President Bush. Totals exclude net interest.
TABLE 2:
DOMESTIC DISCRETIONARY FUNDING HAS BEEN GROWING MORE SLOWLY THAN ANY OTHER SET OF PROGRAMS (AVERAGE ANNUAL RATE OF GROWTH, FROM 2001 THROUGH 2008)
nominal real real per person
Defense & security 12.0% 9.1% 8.1%
Social Security, Medicare/caid 6.5% 3.8% 2.8%
Other mandatory programs 5.7% 3.0% 2.0%
Domestic discretionary 4.0% 1.3% 0.3%
Average, all program costs 7.3% 4.6% 3.6%
See Notes, Table 1.
What Are the Major Domestic Discretionary Programs?
The largest domestic discretionary programs (in order of size) are: education, highways and other ground transportation, housing assistance, biomedical research, federal law enforcement, public health services, air traffic and related transportation, and space flight.
Table 3 shows the four areas of the budget as a share of the economy i.e., as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product, which is the broadest measure of the size of the economy. This measure is the best way to determine the affordability of various programs. Absent any changes in tax law, revenues generally grow at about the same rate as the economy (or slightly faster). Therefore, if programs also are growing only as fast as the economy i.e., staying constant as a share of GDP their growth does not put any upward pressure on revenues.
TABLE 3:
DOMESTIC DISCRETIONARY FUNDING IS A SHRINKING PERCENTAGE OF THE ECONOMY (% OF GDP)
2001 2008 Change
Defense & security 3.6% 5.6% +2.0%
Social Security, Medicare/caid 7.7% 8.4% +0.7%
Other mandatory programs 2.3% 2.4% +0.1%
Domestic discretionary 3.1% 2.8% -0.2%
Total program costs 16.7% 19.3% +2.6%
Addendum, revenues 19.8% 18.5% -1.3%
See Notes, Table 1.
As Table 3 shows, while non-interest expenditures as a whole have grown noticeably faster than the economy, domestic discretionary programs have grown more slowly than the economy (and thus have shrunk as a share of GDP). From this perspective, domestic discretionary programs have not contributed to the return of deficits.
In contrast, funding for defense and related programs has been growing at an extraordinary rate. Funding for these programs has shot up by 2 percent of GDP in just seven years. To put this in perspective, it is expected to take more than two decades, from 2010 to the mid-2030s, for Social Security to grow by two percent of GDP.

Conclusion
Despite rhetoric to the contrary, domestic discretionary programs have not been growing rapidly. In fact, this is the only part of the budget where costs have been shrinking relative to the economy, which means these programs are not putting upward pressure on revenues.
By contrast, funding for defense and related areas has been growing far faster than any other part of the budget, much faster in fact than Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Moreover, defense remains the fastest growing area of the budget even if one excludes the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the global war on terror.

This site shows spending in various areas:
Obama?s 2010 Federal Budget Explained in Plain English | OnlineForexTrading.com

This site shows that so far Social Security Taxes has brought in more than 2 trillion dollars more than has been spent.

Defense is about half of all discretionary spending. Any details of what changes to make. I agree that some things have to change. For anyone who cares to research a little I believe that you will conclude that the majority of the budget is very similar no matter which party has more control. We could drop all non military discretionary spending and still have a significant deficit.

Loren
 
   / Global Warming News #738  
Good Morning Mike,

One of the most onerous aspects of the federal gov't is that they take your tax dollars, then hold you hostage to some program, mandate or regulation inorder for you to get your money back - think of funding for state highways, schools, etc.

I believe much of the current situation is an outgrowth of the federal gov't challenging state's rights during the Great Society and civil rights era. It was a relatively non-violent method of forcing the deep south states to honor the basic principles of our nation for African Americans. It was something that had to be done, we can argue about the method used, but the alternatives are not attractive either. In general, those federal mandates have achieved a measure of success over the past 40 years. Yes, there has also been a lot of carnage along the way.

In an effort to not start the Civil War all over again, the mandates were applied in all states. I would like to see those federal mandates dialed back where they are no longer needed for their original purpose and let local communities make more of their own decisions without being swayed by federal grants or matching funds, or to meet federal requirements.

I do believe there will always be a need for some federal mandates, but it has grown out of control in many areas.

If you consider the federal involvement that is directly or indirectly related to achieving racial equality - a battle against ignorance - it is quite large and has taken on a life of it's own. But then, we had a large problem facing us in that area.

It is interesting, in 20-20 hindsight - to consider this result in light of the framing documents and the sidestepping of the slavery issue at that time. Not to forget there was a real Civil War followed by a bungled Reconstruction, also related to the very same root causes.
Dave.

Dave,

I'm half an ear due to my work day ..but I just want to add, that to many Libertarians, taxation is a form of slavery. That is to say that by mandating a tax based on income, we are in fact enslaved to/by the state.
 
   / Global Warming News #739  
Let me join the complaint department - just received my NYS Driver's Licence renewal papers. A mere $172.50 for 8 years (I have a CDL, commercial because I drove school bus part time long ago)

Loren
 
   / Global Warming News #740  
Question: What percentage of the cost of a gallon of gas at the pump is attributable to taxes, and
what percentage is attributable to profit and production of the same?
Question:If the base research (i.e. data from weather stations,thickness of polar ice, etc.) is either "missing" or in error, should we basing huge economic decisions on that data?
Question:If the Constitution stands in the way of making "reforms" should we make those "reforms" without thorough airing of those "reforms" in full view of the electorate?
Just asking.
 
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