Global Warming News

[piller]

We continue to learn about more and more "embarassing" errors contained in the IPCC report. Each time it turns out that the case to support global warming has been over stated or exaggerated. Where are the errors that understate the case for global warming? If the report is accurate and objective should we not also see an equal amount of "embarassing" errors which understate the case for global warming?

 

[SpringHollow]

Any time new science states that one part of the problem is worse than originally thought, it is then dismissed as bad science. But if it states that it is better than what was thought, then it is as though it were written by god. hmmmm

 

[IH3444]

Earth orbital fluxuates from very circular to elliptical, the shift to elliptical moves the earth approximately 3 million miles futher from the sun on the outer curves of the elliptical orbit. This leads to the ice ages. Hmmm, no tax revenue possibility on the earth orbital changes.

Earth tilt fluxes...nada on that one also.

Tectonic plate movements, Oh we tried sending a bill to Vulcan, god of the deep earth. He sent back earthquakes. That's a no go on that idea.

The sun has times of sun spots, and little or no sun spots. Darn, no tax revenue on that one either.

The sun also has times of fluxuation of just plain energy output. Ahhhh....tough one collecting tax from the sun.

Cosmic rays causing water vapor clouds.....ummmm no address to send the tax bill to. Bummer!

Now how in the world can we collect some taxes on this "climate change"?
I've got it, "green house gases" Now we're getting somewhere!

Study that stuff, and see what you can come up with that sounds plausible, so we can generate some tax revenue on that "science". Brillant!

People exhale CO2, .... I knew it, sooner or later the goverment would find a way to tax the air that we breath in and out. Smashing!

 

[keegs]

IH,

You're getting all worked up about sun spots and carbon taxes ...I thought the legislation was for a cap and trade system to reduce CO2 concentrations.

But to your concern....certainly a plain old carbon tax makes more sense no? I mean after all, how much will it cost to relocate Miami, Galveston, Charleston, Mobile, Beaufort, New Orleans, San Jose............?

Maybe you think another tax cut will pay for it?

 

[Loren49]

IH3444 - you're statement:
"Earth orbital fluxuates from very circular to elliptical, the shift to elliptical moves the earth approximately 3 million miles futher from the sun on the outer curves of the elliptical orbit. This leads to the ice ages. Hmmm, no tax revenue possibility on the earth orbital changes."

Some facts:
"The earth's orbit around the sun is not a circle. The earth's orbit around the sun is slightly elliptical. Therefore, the distance between the earth and the sun varies throughout the year.
At its nearest point on the ellipse that is the earth's orbit around the sun, the earth is 91,445,000 miles (147,166,462 km) from the sun. This point in the earth's orbit is known as perihelion and it occurs on January 3.

The earth is farthest away from the sun on July 4 when it is 94,555,000 miles (152,171,522 km) from the sun. This point in the earth's orbit is called aphelion."

This 3,000,000 mile difference is about a 3% difference and puts the northern hemisphere closer during our winter. Happens every year - nothing to do with ice age IMHO.

Looks like the variations that matter work on from 26,000 to 100,000 year cycles.

global warming (Earth science) :: Variations in Earth's orbit -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

"The slight ellipse in the earth's orbit does have a slight impact on the amount of solar energy being received by the earth. This 3.3% difference in distance does not impact the earth as much as the seasonal variations, however.
On timescales of tens of millennia, the dominant radiative forcing of Earth痴 climate is associated with slow variations in the geometry of Earth痴 orbit about the Sun. These variations include the precession of the equinoxes (that is, changes in the timing of summer and winter), occurring on a roughly 26,000-year timescale; changes in the tilt angle of Earth痴 rotational axis relative to the plane of Earth痴 orbit around the Sun, occurring on a roughly 41,000-year timescale; and changes in the eccentricity (the departure from a perfect circle) of Earth痴 orbit around the Sun, occurring on a roughly 100,000-year timescale."

Is there some over enthusiastic denying going on. Is this a reason to invalidate everything posted. (comparison to throwing out the 3000 page multi year research.)

Loren

 

[Loren49]

Weird weather report:
Vero Beach, Florida 37 degrees
Vancouver, BC, Canada 48 degrees, lowest temp forecast for next week is 34F with high 40s to mid 50s during the day. Hopefully it is colder on the slopes. Not good for Winter Olympics

Loren

 

[RedRocker]

I always like Walter Williams' take on things.
Walter E. Williams : Global Warming Update - Townhall.com

 

[IH3444]

3000 pages of what? Don't forget to read the comments...they are finger licking good!


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece


CNSNews.com - Sen. Inhofe?s Family Builds Igloo for Global Warming Spokesman Al Gore in Snow-laden D.C.

 

[Loren49]

A little background on John Coleman-weatherman since he was 19 - not a scientist - seems to believe most scientists are dishonest

"Here, Coleman advises that scientists - virtually all scientists, including members of his own family - are isolated, agenda-driven, single-minded and corrupt."

Richard Littlemore | The Skeptic John Coleman: Charming, Grandfatherly - and not the least credible

A couple pieces from article:
"That's not the case with the general criticism of Coleman. You can fairly dismiss his views because he has no expertise. He's a weather forecaster and has been since he was 19. He has never studied atmospheric science and, even as a self-proclaimed expert, he seems not to know the difference between being a meteorologist and a climate scientist.

If you want the whole backstory on Coleman, it's available here in an excellent article by the Columbia Journalism Review."

"Coleman shows no such restraint and one can only imagine how he faces his brother - who actually HAS a science PhD - when they get together over the holidays.

But that's pretty much all Coleman's got - a vast conspiracy theory. If you look at his actual argument - the literacy-challenged essay or the sometimes-stumbling TV presentations like this one - you'll see a nice man, past his prime as a news-caster and well past his best-before date as a scientific source. You will see some carefully manipulated graphs that are not sourced and that are cut off to prevent us from having to consider that the recent global warming is, indeed, more severe than anything seen in a thousand years and is moving more quickly than any climate change in many thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of years."

Loren

 

[texbaylea]

You can fool some of the people all of the time; you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time.

P. T. Barnum or maybe A. Lincoln.

It seems as the last thought may be happening. A. Gore take notice

Vernon