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   / Global Warming News #621  
So what would be the difference, auto insurance is sold cross state lines. :confused:

I'm not an underwriter IH but states have their own insurance regulators and laws directing how insurance companies operate and how malpractice suits are handled.

There are provisions in the bills that address the issue of interstate competition that involve states agreeing to common insurance standards.

I'd add that both proposals were rejected by/under the prior republican controlled congress.
 
   / Global Warming News #622  
Actually, there was a reporter who spent several years investigating the rest of the industrialized world's health care systems. The simple summary, all the major ones worked better than ours at a much lower cost. All the complaints of the French system, for example, could be covered by increasing taxes to a level where health care would still cost much less than what health care costs here. But the French were not willing to do so because they received good health care. It was a very interesting hour long interview with comments from drs, patients, etc in these countries. His basic conclusion was that any system (gov. insurance/gov. health, gov. insurance/private health, private insurance/government health, private insurance/private health) worked as long as the insurance companies were all government or non-profit with government oversight.

In Germany I believe it was, most of the private non-profit insurance companies were divisions of for profit insurance companies. Everyone was required to have insurance. When asked, the insurance companies said it was a great system since they competed strongly for the clients because if you provided them with affordable good health care, they would purchase their mortgage, life insurance from the same place. The patients were happy. The drs felt underpaid.

The only system that seemed not to work was employer based health insurance with little oversight of for-profit insurance companies.

Ken

If you want a real world opinion of socialized medicine :
Google; BBC discussion of NHS funding crisis.
As you see from the comments, you can see what happens to anything that becomes "free". People use more of it, and the quality drops. If that is what you want, by all means support the current proposal.
But if you want to be able to continue get the best health care in the world, Sorry, you're going to have to pay for it.
 
   / Global Warming News #623  
I'm not an underwriter IH but states have their own insurance regulators and laws directing how insurance companies operate and how malpractice suits are handled.

There are provisions in the bills that address the issue of interstate competition that involve states agreeing to common insurance standards.

I'd add that both proposals were rejected by/under the prior republican controlled congress.

Gee, does that mean competition actually leads to lower prices?
 
   / Global Warming News #624  
And now for the lastest proponent of AGW. The left welcomes no other than ***** Bin Laden. "By your friends, shall ye be known".
 
   / Global Warming News #625  
And now for the lastest proponent of AGW. The left welcomes no other than ***** Bin Laden. (APNEWS)"By your friends, shall ye be known".
 
   / Global Warming News #626  
FallbrockFarmer-Don't understand where you where coming from on Democracy? My point with Medicare and Medicade is that these programs have not successfully been challenged in the courts. That leads me to believe that so far they are considered constitutional. If you have some insight that the other constitutional scholars have missed why not share it with them. I predict that even the current Supreme Court would not hear your case. Also was there any claim made in the site you criticized that has been challenged successfully on constitutional grounds. (it's easy to try to discredit the messenger) There are many things our government pursues that concern me way more than trying to assure basic medical care for everyone in the richest country in the world.


World Health Organization Studies
Ranking - USA #37
The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
Preventable Deaths
Preventable Deaths for selected countries, 1997-1998 and 2002-2003, issued 2008

I'm sure the W.H.O. is suspect since it doesn't have the professional input of our health industry lobbyists.

Loren
 
   / Global Warming News #627  
FallbrockFarmer - After your Bin Laden claim - I must ask "Are you really Glenn Beck?" That claim is absurd!

Loren
 
   / Global Warming News #628  
FallbrockFarmer - After your Bin Laden claim - I must ask "Are you really Glenn Beck?" That claim is absurd!

Loren

Go to Drudge report follow the link to the Associated Press story.
 
   / Global Warming News #629  
Go to Drudge report follow the link to the Associated Press story.

And as I stated before, the only way to judge a news outlet is to measure the accuracy of their reporting. I would put Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Wall st. Journal up against New York times/Air America/Chris Matthews any time. Any takers?
 
   / Global Warming News #630  
As this WAS a global warming thread, I hate to jump into an off-topic discussion, but here goes.

Death rates are a poor criteria, but that's what the politicians use. There are lots of factors that enter the picture that can account for differences in death rates that are unrelated to the health care system. 3 examples: 1. The USA is a large country; we drive farther and have higher death rates on the road because of it. That adds to the total. 2. Our obesity rates are higher than most countries although in some European countries they are working hard to catch up to us. That adds to the total. 3. We have a pretty high rate of gun deaths (no, this is not meant to be an anti-gun statement; it's just a fact that we shoot each other more often than they do in many other countries). That adds to the total. None of these factors have much to do with the health care system, but they contribute to the death rate reports, which is why death rates are a bogus criteria.

A better criteria is what happens when people USE the health care system. How often do people die after they are diagnosed with cancer, have a heart attack, etc? When you look at that, our system is right up there--not the best, but not bad, either. Actually top notch for some categories. Unfortunately, these numbers are harder to find than death rates, which are easy for agencies to summarize--count up death certificates and divide by the population and multiply by 1,000.

So ignore any argument based on death rates. It isn't relevant. The quality of our system isn't bad when measured by a proper standard.

Costs are another matter. Yup, our system is expensive. We have a large share of people who pay little or nothing but are still given treatment in our emergency rooms. Who pays for them? You and I. I just heard today that a recent estimate says that this boosts our health care costs by about 25%. I don't know if that is correct; it's just what I heard today. If that's right, throw in liability issues (not only lawsuits but defensive medicine, also) which boost costs about 5% and now you are talking about 30%. Take care of those two things & we wouldn't be far off from the European countries in cost.

One more factor: I have a doctor friend who attends meetings each week with a competing health care provider from the one he works for, just to be sure he is learning as much as he can. At a recent meeting, someone was touting some new treatment. Merrill asked how much it cost, compared to what they were doing before. No one knew. There was just no cost concern among the doctors.

So, do any of our problems with health care justify a 2,000 page bill to overhaul the system? Or maybe we just need identify and to fix certain problems? Do you buy a new car because the water pump and master cylinder are both going bad or do you fix them and go on your way?

So, can we talk about global warming again?

Anyone who wants to talk health care can start a health care thread.
 
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