Global Warming?

[MikeFarm]

Hi

Wow
Even after a lot of emails from so called scientists were discovered saying that they had more or less skewed the facts to fit the political agenda, you people still turn a deaf ear.

The above "ClimateGate" emails were examined by the Uni of East Anglia, lots of other international research groups, the U.S. National Research Council and many many journalists. The scientists were not "skewing the facts". This so called Climate Gate is still being peddled by climate change skeptics.
A quick link: Climategate 2.0: Do new emails undermine global warming science? - Capital Weather Gang - The Washington Post

One can argue and argue technical points but many people still get their "evidence" for belief from radio shock jocks, newspapers and TV which give a "balanced opinion". This is something that journos and media people have been taught to do - show both sides of a story. Unfortunately that means that folks that don't have access or time or ability to understand the complex, technical issues get misled into thinking that there are two sides and two valid views. Some stories though only have one side which is correct (astrology, homeopathy, murder, genocide). Unfortunately some topics are tied in with political and social implications. There are still people who do not believe that smoking vastly increases your risk of lung cancer or that basic healthcare should be within reach of everyone.

Climate change is occurring. It's occurring faster than predicted. The CO2 increase is irrefutable. All current climate models predict a major problem for us all. Wake up dodos

Mike

 

[patrick_g]

Climate change is occurring. It's occurring faster than predicted. The CO2 increase is irrefutable. All current climate models predict a major problem for us all. Wake up dodos

Mike

You forgot to mention the folks clinging to the flat earth theory.

Satellite observes rapid ice shelf disintegration in Antarctic

Posted: 05 Apr 2012 04:51 AM PDT

As ESA痴 Envisat satellite continues to observe the rapid retreat of one of Antarctica痴 ice shelves due to climate warming. One of the satellite痴 first observations following its launch on 1 March 2002 was of break-up of a main section of the Larsen B ice shelf in Antarctica when 3200 sq km of ice disintegrated within a few days due to mechanical instabilities of the ice masses triggered by climate warming.

Rising CO₂ levels linked to global warming during last deglaciation

Posted: 04 Apr 2012 10:37 AM PDT

Many scientists have long suspected that rising levels of carbon dioxide and the global warming that ended the last Ice Age were somehow linked, but establishing a clear cause-and-effect relationship between CO2 and global warming from the geologic record has remained difficult. A new study identifies this relationship and provides compelling evidence that rising CO2 caused much of the global warming.

Complete text of news at ScienceDaily.

If there is something going on that will cause disruption of your money making system one way to defuse the situation is to cause sufficient confusion in the minds of the masses such that there is no clear mandate to change anything that would harm your bottom line.

Pat

 

[SPYDERLK]

Standard blah blah is water from comets.

Where is the meteor water in metallic or stony meteorites. Ya got a cite?

Pat

Here ya go. Carbonaceous chondrites:

1963SSRv....1..621M Page 621

 

[SPYDERLK]

Wow
I'm a new member and I am a conservative from Utah, no I'm not a Mormon and no I do not have 10 wifes. Lol I try to understand all views of this particular subject but I look at some of the responses and have to laugh. Some of the al gore lovers are almost comical on how hard of a line they have drawn on this highly controversial subject. You can almost feel the anger in your posts, and it makes really no sense. Even after a lot of emails from so called scientists were discovered saying that they had more or less skewed the facts to fit the political agenda, you people still turn a deaf ear. All that is on your mind is regulate, strangulate, and kill all hope of the American dream. So called global warming is a tool for the higher powers to use to gain more control and to tell the American public to do what they say because we the people are to stupid to no any better. Only they are responsible enough and smart enough to tell you what car to drive, what food to eat (because remember cows put out to much methane). Etc etc etc etc. Thats why I'm glad I live in Utah, cuz we might be a little backwards here, but I don't have to listen too to many people that are just plain ("angry") also were 5000 feet above sea level so we have a bit before we have to worry about it. I like to fish to so wouldn't that be crazy fishing for tuna on the Wasatch front. Sorry if that offends anybody, it wasn't meant to. Just remember you can always trust al gore, cuz god knows he's sain. Lol nic

Diverse opinions are always welcome on this forum.

...... However; simplistic judgmentals, only by some.
larry

 

[patrick_g]

Here ya go. Carbonaceous chondrites:

1963SSRv....1..621M Page 621

Thanks for info. I read it all and noted there was no FREE WATER, only combined water. So I'm not sure this is supplying us with water as we think of it as solid, liquid, or gas. Concrete has water as an ingredient.

Pat

 

[Short Game]

And it's a hard, and it's a hard,
it's a hard, and it's a hard,
and it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Not that I know anything much about the subject, but any bits of space stuff traveling with quantities of H2O would have it boiled off at the top of the atmosphere, and therefore it would be hard to know just how much would be added to earth.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled pig-wrestle.

 

[patrick_g]

And it's a hard, and it's a hard,
it's a hard, and it's a hard,
and it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Not that I know anything much about the subject, but any bits of space stuff traveling with quantities of H2O would have it boiled off at the top of the atmosphere, and therefore it would be hard to know just how much would be added to earth.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled pig-wrestle.

Exceptin' comets which are theorized as having supplied most of our water. They didn't all boil away getting down to earth. Oh, they ain't a scheduled they just pop up impromptu sorta whenever some challenger wants to give it a whorl.

Pat

 

[Egon]

Maybe back when the earth didn't have an atmosphere. Straight ride all the way!

 

[Nicb7800]

Hi



The above "ClimateGate" emails were examined by the Ini of East Anglia, lots of other international research groups, the U.S. National Research Council and many many journalists. The scientists were not "skewing the facts". This so called Climate Gate is still being peddled by climate change skeptics.
A quick link: Climategate 2.0: Do new emails undermine global warming science? - Capital Weather Gang - The Washington Post

One can argue and argue technical points but many people still get their "evidence" for belief from radio shock jocks, newspapers and TV which give a "balanced opinion". This is something that journos and media people have been taught to do - show both sides of a story. Unfortunately that means that folks that don't have access or time or ability to understand the complex, technical issues get misled into thinking that there are two sides and two valid views. Some stories though only have one side which is correct (astrology, homeopathy, murder, genocide). Unfortunately some topics are tied in with political and social implications. There are still people who do not believe that smoking vastly increases your risk of lung cancer or that basic healthcare should be within reach of everyone.

Climate change is occurring. It's occurring faster than predicted. The CO2 increase is irrefutable. All current climate models predict a major problem for us all. Wake up dodos

Mike

Mike,

Thank for your opinion I have to strongly disagree, but hey we can't agree on everything right, and if we did then we would all be walking instead of driving and eating field grass instead of my favorite steak. Lol Whether it is or not I just hope that "I guess" the majority "stupid" people or dodos as you would put it like me and majority of the people on the planet think alike. I do agree that maybe and I mean maybe we might make a fraction of a difference as far as climate change. I think that the majority of people are smart enough to realize that we are a drop in the bucket. The earth will do what it will and we are along only for the ride. Sorry to burst a bubble I just kind of think the same people that truly believe that global warming is our biggest problem, are the same people that think cap and trade is a good idea, or Obama is a good president, or if guns are outlawed there will not be any shootings. I really do look at all of this in absolute amazement, and simply wonder how out of touch and crazy some people have gotten. So extreme in some views that it is hard to draw a line between right and wrong. Thank nic

 

[MikeFarm]

Hi all

Hi Nicb7800. You wrote ... ""I guess" the majority "stupid" people or dodos as you would put it like me".
I don't think climate change skeptics or deniers are stupid. That's why I used "dodos", the context being that they stick their heads in the sand and like to think all is fine. There are many smart people that deny climate change.

and you said "... we are a drop in the bucket. The earth will do what it will and we are along only for the ride."

We live in a rather special century - the first century where human population and human activities such as deforestation, agriculture and industrialisation have become large enough to apparently alter the planet's climate on a global scale. The next few decades may be a deciding factor in how our children and grand children live.

Either way Nic, we will know in the next 20 years. If we take action and 2,500 scientists and ecology experts got it wrong then we will have had a slightly lower global GDP than we could have had, if we ignore them then 20 years later will be too late to act. We will have lower food production with more people and more extreme and unstable weather. We should consider the "precautionary principal".

Mike

 

[rsewill]

I remember 40 years ago over-population was going to cause widespread famine. People said it wouldn't happen because we had massive oceans filled with fish. Of course we overfished the oceans and the green revolution saved us from famine (for now.)

 

[powerpace]

Yes the Climate is changing. Again. It will always change. The amount of increased change man caused is undecided.
The Jet Stream, La Nina (Cooling), and El Nino (Warming) have only been studied in recent geologic time. La Nina and El Nino can be traced with historical accuracy by the cyclic affect on human history. The Jet Stream wasn't even known till WWII.

To say that satellites have determined the thinning of the Antarctic Ice Shelf is at best a shortsighted effort at interpretation of data from a short range of time. Satellite information is still interpreted by people. Temperature and other data recorded by satellite are not direct readings. A hundred years of information is not enough to determine what is normal or abnormal in the Arctic.
Sometimes you have to Wiki.
Satellite temperature measurements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The best thing that people can do with the climate is learn to live with and not try to change it. All it will take to upset the worlds climate is one good Volcanic eruption to create a cooling trend.

 

[Short Game]

I remember 40 years ago over population was going to cause widespread famine. People said it wouldn't happen because we had massive oceans filled with fish. Of course we overfished the oceans and the green revolution saved us from famine (for now.)

Recent research supports the conclusions of a controversial environmental study released 40 years ago: The world is on track for disaster. So says Australian physicist Graham Turner, who revisited perhaps the most groundbreaking academic work of the 1970s,The Limits to Growth.

Turner compared real-world data from 1970 to 2000 with the business-as-usual scenario. He found the predictions nearly matched the facts. "There is a very clear warning bell being rung here," he says. "We are not on a sustainable trajectory."

 

[Cat_Driver]

How arrogant for anyone to predict Gullibal Warming with facts derived from less than 150 years.

Do the math gullibal scarists. the Earth is 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years. Collected weather data doesn't even amount to a single blink of the eye in the Earth Time line.

So why don't we all determine things by the equivalent of a blink of the eye.

Let's see a Doctor can diagnose you in the blink of an eye? Decide if you want to marry your girl in the blink of an eye. Make tractor decisions in the blink of an eye.

No certainly you wouldn't. But Gore has the entire planet riled up with FAKE data collected in the blink of the eye line Earth time line.

Oh and lookie here, another small fact that Gullible warming Nuts forget to look at, WE ARE STILL HERE after 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years.

Oh and don't try the carbon thing, because Volcanoes for over 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years have produced more pollutants than every combustible engine ever made.

 

[Egon]

Oh and lookie here, another small fact that Gullible warming Nuts forget to look at, WE ARE STILL HERE after 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years.

We've been here that long!

 

[MikeFarm]

Hi all

Do the math gullibal scarists. the Earth is 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years. Collected weather data doesn't even amount to a single blink of the eye in the Earth Time line.
.....
Oh and don't try the carbon thing, because Volcanoes for over 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years have produced more pollutants than every combustible engine ever made.

Collected weather data also includes ice cores. We now have accurate temperature data for over 400,000 years from Antaractica. Your comparisons are illogical and silly. Your doing invalid extrapolations.

 

[patrick_g]

We've been here that long!

I got here late. Did I miss anything?



Which plants will survive droughts, climate change?

Posted: 06 Apr 2012 11:18 AM PDT

Biologists aim to predict which plant species will escape extinction from climate change. Droughts are worsening around the world, which poses a great challenge to plants in gardens and forests. Scientists have debated for more than a century how to predict which species are most vulnerable.
Impact of warming climate doesn't always translate to streamflow

Posted: 06 Apr 2012 11:17 AM PDT

An analysis of 35 headwater basins in the United States and Canada found that the impact of warmer air temperatures on streamflow rates was less than expected in many locations, suggesting that some ecosystems may be resilient to certain aspects of climate change.


"Oh and lookie here, another small fact that Gullible warming Nuts forget to look at, WE ARE STILL HERE after 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years. "

Does this remind anyone about the guy who fell from a 40 story building and was heard to boast as he passed the 20th floor, "So far so good!"

 

[SPYDERLK]

Hi all



Collected weather data also includes ice cores. We now have accurate temperature data for over 400,000 years from Antaractica. Your comparisons are illogical and silly. Your doing invalid extrapolations.

How nice that there are some who notice this. Alas, it will be flushed to the wayside in the great omnipresent current of exaggeration and erroneous extrapolation.
larry

 

[Nicb7800]

Guys,guys,guys:laughing:
I did learn along time ago there are a couple of things that you do not argue about,religion,politics, and now global warming. Because after its all said and done I still think its hoky. I also no that some other people still feel very strongly about it. Just remember this ,be glad you live in a place were you can actually have a discussion over something as controversial as this subject, and not have to worry about being hung because someone that thinks they are important,does not like what your saying. So until there is some hard evidence and I mean something I can see!!!!! Then stubborn people like me will just sit on the sideline and watch the water rise. I live buy a old saying my grandpa taught me years ago. " don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see". maybe it might give you some peace to think about those couple of lines. Thank again and have a great day,a Nic

 

[rsewill]

How arrogant for anyone to predict Gullibal Warming with facts derived from less than 150 years.

Do the math gullibal scarists. the Earth is 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years. Collected weather data doesn't even amount to a single blink of the eye in the Earth Time line.

So why don't we all determine things by the equivalent of a blink of the eye.

Let's see a Doctor can diagnose you in the blink of an eye? Decide if you want to marry your girl in the blink of an eye. Make tractor decisions in the blink of an eye.

No certainly you wouldn't. But Gore has the entire planet riled up with FAKE data collected in the blink of the eye line Earth time line.

Oh and lookie here, another small fact that Gullible warming Nuts forget to look at, WE ARE STILL HERE after 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years.

Oh and don't try the carbon thing, because Volcanoes for over 4.54 ｱ 0.05 billion years have produced more pollutants than every combustible engine ever made.

In the blink of an eye a bullet can pass through your brain. It doesn't take long to wipe out a species including man. But let's not look behind the curtain and keep denying science.