Global Warming?

[Johnp33]

If you really look into it the Keystone pipeline was a big hoax, they never were going to build it in the wrought submitted. The Democrats should demand the build it south of the boarder as far as posible and then listen to the North Dakota group whine. You do remember the oil they have their.
The BS about Obama supporting Brazil he did guarantees so the brazilians would buy American equipment.
remember the outrage about the underwear bomber, being tried in civilian court and how he would walk. that Chaney dummy was all over the place pedalling her crap. well he was sentenced to life, did Fox even mention it.
The right is great at ranting about a bunch of BS, but never admit to the mistake when they are proven wrong.
What we need is a rant of the day thread and then when it is proven to be BS we could just mark it off. and if anyone tried reposting the same line of BS they would be blocked.

 

[rsewill]

Lets play out your train of thought here and maybe you will understand where I am coming from.

Observation, the tides come in and go out. They must be effected by man somehow, lets find out how!

Observation, the earth goes around the sun, mans activities must effect that too, lets find out how!

Observation the earth heats and cools, mans activities must effect that, lets find out how!

It's stupid, a hoax. Get it...

HS

Falsifiable and verifiable.

 

[Dadof3]

If you really look into it the Keystone pipeline was a big hoax, they never were going to build it in the wrought submitted. The Democrats should demand the build it south of the boarder as far as posible and then listen to the North Dakota group whine. You do remember the oil they have their.
The BS about Obama supporting Brazil he did guarantees so the brazilians would buy American equipment.
remember the outrage about the underwear bomber, being tried in civilian court and how he would walk. that Chaney dummy was all over the place pedalling her crap. well he was sentenced to life, did Fox even mention it.
The right is great at ranting about a bunch of BS, but never admit to the mistake when they are proven wrong.
What we need is a rant of the day thread and then when it is proven to be BS we could just mark it off. and if anyone tried reposting the same line of BS they would be blocked.

This post is a little Cryptic and a lot incorrect...
1 There is no evidence that the pipeline was a hoax
2 I remember the oil in North Dakota that BHO won't let them access
3 What does "Chaney dummy" or the "underwear bomber" have to do with the topic at hand?
4 What mistake should they admit to?
Please get your thoughts (and facts) together before posting.

 

[houstonscott]

If you really look into it the Keystone pipeline was a big hoax, they never were going to build it in the wrought submitted. The Democrats should demand the build it south of the boarder as far as posible and then listen to the North Dakota group whine. You do remember the oil they have their.
The BS about Obama supporting Brazil he did guarantees so the brazilians would buy American equipment.
remember the outrage about the underwear bomber, being tried in civilian court and how he would walk. that Chaney dummy was all over the place pedalling her crap. well he was sentenced to life, did Fox even mention it.
The right is great at ranting about a bunch of BS, but never admit to the mistake when they are proven wrong.
What we need is a rant of the day thread and then when it is proven to be BS we could just mark it off. and if anyone tried reposting the same line of BS they would be blocked.

Behind the scene the pipeline will probably be built. The reason the Canadians are in a law suite is because American law provides for the line to be built. America all but told them if you jump through these hoops and go through the permit process you get to build the pipeline. The president doesn't have the authority to stop it, the congress makes the laws and if you satisfy all the requirements you get the pipeline. When you do that and then change the rules you get into law suites. I just hope Obama has to pay the fines himself personally.

HS

 

[tallyho8]

When volcanoes erupt violently bad things happen. If there were a human activity capable of triggering a volcanic eruption we should be careful regarding that activity.
Pat

Oh No! Now we're going to be accused of triggering volcanic activity too.

I wonder who triggered all the volcanic activity we had 5.000.000 years ago.

 

[locknut]

One big problem with the science of climate change is that it is under constant attack using half truths or outright falsehoods by the 91% of talk radio that is conservative. Why these talkers are in lockstep on climate change is beyond me.

That's why smart people like me listen to conservative talk radio,to get information on both sides of the current issues at hand.Otherwise,we'd be just another GLOBAL COOLING CLIMATE DENIER.....LIKE YOU

 

[rsewill]

That's why smart people like me listen to conservative talk radio,to get information on both sides of the current issues at hand.Otherwise,we'd be just another GLOBAL COOLING CLIMATE DENIER.....LIKE YOU

I listen to conservative talk radio. If I want to listen to talk radio I have no choice except corporate controlled conservative talk radio. As a critical thinker, I am aware that the overarching preponderance of evidence is that there is global climate change caused by human activity. Many people need the three or six hours of this type of talk radio propaganda and indoctrination to maintain the corporate desired belief system that there is no climate change. It seems the corporate propaganda pushers are having a lot of success.

 

[locknut]

I listen to conservative talk radio. If I want to listen to talk radio I have no choice except corporate controlled conservative talk radio. As a critical thinker, I am aware that the overarching preponderance of evidence is that there is global climate change caused by human activity. Many people need the three or six hours of this type of talk radio propaganda and indoctrination to maintain the corporate desired belief system that there is no climate change. It seems the corporate propaganda pushers are having a lot of success.

Sorry,pal. I can't seem to get my head up my *** far enough to see things from your perspective.

 

[LMTC]

I truly try not to engage in argument anymore. My experience has taught me that some people's opinions are "in lockstep" (can I borrow that phrase or is there a patent on it) with their imaginations, and reality will not change that. However, I just laughed, and laughed hard, reading this thread...or rather the last post. Looked for a "high five" emoticon and couldn't find one here, so this will have to do, but locknut, this is for you. Well put. :thumbsup:

PS--I actually know where Greensburg is...used to do some business with Lowe's.

 

[DABSGT]

Most of us are aware that there is a need for alternative sources of energy, maybe not for the climate change, (that has been going on forever) but to decrease our nation痴 dependency to other countries and to lower energy cost.
I would venture to say that I am not the only one of us who has a concern for the future not only for our families but the country with the cost of energy. Here in the north east we had a mild winter but I still paid more to heat my home this year than last. I feel for those less fortunate than I and seniors on fixed income it has changed their life.
The problem is the cost of alternative energy and the government痴 attempt to control it and pick winners and losers. I don稚 care if it is conservative talk shows or CNN most of us know of the $500,000,000.00 investment made for solar energy to Solyndra!
If there were a reliable, cost effective energy all of us would be happy to buy into it.
But for now I will pay $4.35 + a gallon so I can go out and play on my tractor until I can no longer afford to.
For those who are concerned that the sky is going to fall from the use of Fossil Fuel go out to your tractor take the fuel cap off and let the sun shine in then let me know how far you get.
:confused2:

 

[SPYDERLK]

Originally Posted by EddieWalker
Who has the hidden agenda? The oil company that is selling you fuel for a profit and having to get it half way across the planet in locations that hate the US?

Or a government that relies on tax money raised from selling that fuel, but even more from voters who donate to them so they will fight the oil company with an empty promise to force somebody to invent something better. In the mean time, to keep their supporters happy and giving them more money, they use tax dollars to promote industy that doesn't work and requires more energy to operate then it produces. Have you heard of ethynol? What about solar companies like Sylendra? Or the Chevy Volt?Eddie

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Far from empty promises in many cases. ... Regardless of failures, do you realize that sunlight delivers 1100 watts per square meter on earths surface ... ~1.5 MegaWatts per acre? We can electrically harvest about 10% of that with current tech -- 150KW. Thats 600KW-Hrs just from the 4hrs of high sun on a single sunny day. My entire farm uses about 150 KW-Hrs per day in peak season. ... So, regardless of failures, the conservative [efficiencies are rising due technology] potential is huge, and the benefit awaits application of credible known science. Change is almost always initially expensive. Even so, proactive change will ultimately turn out to be cheap in comparison to reactive change. Well directed subsidies are the best bet to get this going. The bad ones will fall out. Solar isnt one of them.
...The problem is not that it wont work - its that our system is not set up to use it. And that is a tremendous hurdle. Subsidies in selected areas are needed to catalyze the advance in infrastucture and technology. No single company can afford it. Both research and grunt work is needed. The engines of research have lost funding. Research is what got us from the $400+ HewlettPackard twenty something calculator of the '60s, to todays more capable $20 calculator that runs on ambient light. ... Solar is expensive now. -- Trouble is , ignoring it will keep it that way.
...larry

 

[houstonscott]

Funny that all those who characterize talk radio as conservative never characterize the main stream media as liberal. I think the main reason that talk radio gains traction is that they discuss all the angles of an issue and present the actual facts, like (reading the bill on radio to you) so you make your own decision on what it says, not what Katie Couric tells you it says. Only those who don't listen bash talk radio because they are unaware of what is going on there. The main stream media would no more present the actual documents on the TV for you to evaluate in issue than the man in the moon, precisely because they do have an agenda. If you listen to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, you couldn't possibly know what's going on with an issue. To tell you the truth most of what gets to those so called news outlets is sometimes as much as three year old stories for listeners of talk radio.

HS

 

[Tollster]

If you listen to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, you couldn't possibly know what's going on with an issue. HS

Strange you leave the FOX news out of the mix, but then again, perhaps not

 

[Egon]

Talk shows = actual information

:confused2:

 

[Short Game]

I listen to a little AM talk. I usually fall asleep and miss most of it. I like some of the stuff I get from Coast To Coast AM in the middle of the night. It's interesting and not usually overly political. That said, twice per hour, I get sound-bite spots for their daytime menagerie. It will be Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or that Savage butt-head, doing the most vile attacks against just what you might imagine. Free ads repeated, ad nauseum, for what Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Bros. want us to believe. Ain't it great? The Ministry of Propaganda has been privatized.

 

[mostly_gas]

Does it matter what talk show hosts or politicians say?
To me it matters what the scientists say or DON'T say shapes my opinion.
Think about it, If the polar regions have been near tropical in nature, doesn't it mean The climate has changed before? So if the climate has changed before and this is hardly new ground climately speaking, how does one prove now that man is the cause? Some have said it CO2 that the culprit. OK where is/are the paper(s) that show X change in CO2 results in Y change in temperature. I have looked found papers that discuss CO2 but none with the detail that prove their point.
You are free believe what you want. Just understand climate science has lots to learn, and I am waiting for the real scientists to deal with what they have not dealt with.

 

[EddieWalker]

...Far from empty promises in many cases. ... Regardless of failures, do you realize that sunlight delivers 1100 watts per square meter on earths surface ...

This is where I get confused. Nobody is saying that you shouldn't look for other sources of power. That is both misleading and dishonest. I'm all for solar, wind and alge. But I'm not for giving away hundreds of millions of tax payer money to companies to see if they can make it work. I'm especially not for giving them money when they already have a history of failure and a product that does not work and is available from other sources for less money.

At what point do you say it's time to stop throwing away money at something that isn't even a problem. There is no oil shortage. The energy crisis is self created by our governments refusal to allow big oil to do what they do best. Why do you want to blame the company that is supplying you with oil for creating the shortage when their only purpose in existing is to make a profit by selling oil and oil products?

Who is making it harder to get oil? Why are they making it more difficult to get oil? And the biggest mystery is why do you defend Obama when he has done so much to cause the energy crisis and absolutely nothing to fix it?

We are in debt so far that our lifestyle is now being affected by goverenment spending. Super Inflation is the next step. The answer Obama has is to spend more and raise taxes. Next year, Jan 1st, all our taxes are going up big time. It's designed to happen after the election and it's going to hurt. What will happen with the additional income? Will they just spend more money or will we find more ways to not pay taxes? Loop Holes or just not working as much?

If Solar is a good thing, then let those selling it put their money into it. Let them develop it and make it happen. Give them tax breaks and tax insentives, but do not give them CASH!!!!!

Government is not here to gamble with tax dollars on pet projects.

Eddie

 

[mostly_gas]

Far from empty promises in many cases. ... Regardless of failures, do you realize that sunlight delivers 1100 watts per square meter on earths surface ... ~1.5 MegaWatts per acre? We can electrically harvest about 10% of that with current tech -- 150KW. Thats 600KW-Hrs just from the 4hrs of high sun on a single sunny day. My entire farm uses about 150 KW-Hrs per day in peak season. ... So, regardless of failures, the conservative [efficiencies are rising due technology] potential is huge, and the benefit awaits application of credible known science. Change is almost always initially expensive. Even so, proactive change will ultimately turn out to be cheap in comparison to reactive change. Well directed subsidies are the best bet to get this going. The bad ones will fall out. Solar isnt one of them.
...The problem is not that it wont work - its that our system is not set up to use it. And that is a tremendous hurdle. Subsidies in selected areas are needed to catalyze the advance in infrastucture and technology. No single company can afford it. Both research and grunt work is needed. The engines of research have lost funding. Research is what got us from the $400+ HewlettPackard twenty something calculator of the '60s, to todays more capable $20 calculator that runs on ambient light. ... Solar is expensive now. -- Trouble is , ignoring it will keep it that way.
...larry

Larry you are free to invest all you want. I have a problem with government getting involved because of the cronnie capitalism that has been there for years. Waste and fraud abound everyone promises to fix it and no one does. If we task the government with more we just invite it to be bigger with more waste and fraud.
If you really want to see more investment in Solar organize a group so you can more money to invest as the group sees fit. No doubt you will get far more result than Uncle Sam:thumbsup:

 

[Short Game]

Good thing the government with the oil industry are above all that crony capitalism stuff. We don't want any alternative types sullying such a clean record.

 

[hosspuller]

Here's another thought to discuss. How does the amount of energy we need to sustain our current life style affect the politics?

I submit that most people have no idea or can't visualize the vast amounts of product we consume. A person goes to the gas pump fills up their car and never sees the 20 gallons that went in.

Our local county is paying big bucks to convert a few school buses to run on waste cooking oil. There aren't enough resturants in the whole state to supply used oil if the entire fleet of one county converted. Forget all the school buses in the state. The waste oil to fuel program is just wasted tax money to make a few people "FEEL" good.


Or ... A person turns on their central air conditioner to cool their 3000 square foot house in July. How many watt hours of power are needed to run that unit for a day?

I participate on a horse trailer forum... many are the people that think an air conditioner can be run from a 12 volt battery. or a toaster oven.

Solar conversion to electricity is just another big bluff. It makes sense if the power user is far from the utility like some mountain top. BUT compete and surpass conventional sources to run industry and homes ??? Not likely. Yes the sun pours mega watts of power onto our land. But the energy is like gold in the sea. There are tons of gold dissolved in seawater. Too bad it's so diluted as to be unusable. Technologically it can be done, it's just not worth the effort.
So too is solar energy to electricity via photovoltaic panels.