Global Warming?

[Egon]

And dam#, I forgot those pesky nuclear weapons again, didn't I? What aspects of those do wish to discuss, debate or hear my opinion on?

Well, don't be shy. Start talking. Let's get your opinion.

 

[toppop52]

My opinion is it would be wasted effort.

 

[Cat_Driver]

The truth behind 'global warming'.

Al Gore is the name most synonymous with Gullible Warming, but there are a few other individuals or groups that have been closely tied to this alleged issue, most notably Goldman Sachs and Maurice Strong. A name also connected to all this is Barack Obama. Although I doubt he has an active role in Gullible Warming, he is associated with the avowed socialists trying to run the scam.

Goldman Sachs -- every last person that works for this firm should be rounded up and jailed for life. Our planet would be better off for it. Goldman Sachs has been behind some of the largest financial scams in the history of the US, and also responsible for some of the most severe economic crashes we have seen. To see some of the scams they have pulled over the years, read this article. Long, but a great read. The Great American Bubble Machine | Politics News | Rolling Stone Their involvement with Gullible Warming is at the end of the article, but the first 7 pages give a glimpse into the criminal nature of this company. Did you know that Goldman Sachs had a major role in the collapse of the Greek economy? GS created a new type of derivative and sold it to the Greek government. It violated the Greek constitution as well as some rules of the European Union. Goldman Secret Greece Loan Shows Two Sinners as Client Unravels - Bloomberg Goldman Sachs owned 10% of the Chicago Climate Exchange which expected to generate $10 trillion a year in revenue on Cap and Trade. Pretty remarkable when the combined revenue of all the US electricity producers is only $320 billion annually. And this tax would be collected by ........... Wall Street, not the government. What do you think was going to happen to energy costs?

Maurice Strong -- an avowed socialist who wants to see One World Order. EXCLUSIVE: Godfather of Global Green Thinking Steps Out of Shadows at Rio+20 | Fox News Maurice was on the Board of Directors of the now defunct Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX). His take, had the Cap and Trade legislation passed would have been about $100 million. With Cap and Trade defeated, Maurice Strong turned his sights on establishing the same scam, but this time it would be run by the United Nations. He recently attended the Rio + 20 summit in Rio de Janeiro with the hope of pushing this agenda through, but thankfully it was defeated. Had Rio + 20 been successful, it would have committed the world's wealthiest countries into sending trillions of dollars to impoverished nations. Of course Americans would have contributed the most to this fund with an estimated $1,700 per year per US family. That cost would increase to $6,000 per year per US family by 2035. After Goldman, Strong, Gore, and others skimmed billions off the top, most of this money would be sent to places in Africa and other impoverished areas; for reasons unknown. It doesn't matter anyway does it? It's just a giant skimming operation.

Al Gore -- yeah, the same guy that invented the internet. Al Gore set up a company called Generation Investment Management (GIM) along with a load of sleazy former Goldman Sachs employees. His company would sell the credits to the CCX who would then in turn sell them to other companies through the CCX. Of course the CCX skims money off the top of every transaction. Gore also sat of the board of directors for the CCX. He would also rake in hundreds of millions from that role as well.

The Joyce Foundation out of Chicago. They are a charity and do a lot of good work for the community at large, but they funded the startup of the CCX. One of the former board members of Joyce was Barack Obama. He reportedly owned stock in the CCX but I can't find documented confirmation of this.

Do your own research on the CCX, Generation Investment Management, the UN Cap and Trade system, and Maurice Strong. If you do search, you're going to find dirt at every turn. I think everyone would agree we need to do more to protect our environment, but Americans should not be fleeced in the process. Substantial changes can be made to protect our environment without scamming Americans. And Wall Street should never, ever be involved in any of this.

Gullible Warming is nothing more than a scam created to fleece Americans.

Buying carbon credits is like BUYING AIR - well why not, we now buy BOTTLED WATER, can you imagine that.

 

[Rainbody]

Great to see someone put up the CCX. What a business model. Require by law that everyone buy and sell non-tangible "credits" while you pocket a fee for each transaction. And the best is that the sheep are eager to do it. **** even demand it.

 

[Barnone]

"Gullible Warming is nothing more than a scam created to fleece Americans."
So you say global warming is impossible?

 

[toppop52]

"Gullible Warming is nothing more than a scam created to fleece Americans."
So you say global warming is impossible?

Global warming, global cooling, severe flooding and major droughts can and do happen, always have, no argument there.

 

[Barnone]

Global warming, global cooling, severe flooding and major droughts can and do happen, always have, no argument there.

So global warming is possible and not some liberal scam as Cat_Driver and other say?
But we should ignore it and not try to determine the cause if it is occurring?
What if we humans are causing global warming? Ignore that possibility?
What if the ice pack is really melting?

 

[toppop52]

So global warming is possible and not some liberal scam as Cat_Driver and other say?
But we should ignore it and not try to determine the cause if it is occurring?
What if we humans are causing global warming? Ignore that possibility?
What if the ice pack is really melting?

You mean like the NASA claim that Greenland's ice all melted in four days earlier this summer? Then tried to blame man made global warming, then had to admit it was just part of the normal 150 yr cycle and has happened many times before? Is that the man made warming you mean? The fact that several periods in the not too distant past have been far warmer than this, and the cars back then were powered by hay.

 

[Loren49]

Deny, deny, deny...reaccuse.

Great strategy. Its not Al Gore et al, it's the scientific community vs the established fossil fuel profiteers.

Loren

 

[crash325]

You mean like the NASA claim that Greenland's ice all melted in four days earlier this summer? Then tried to blame man made global warming, then had to admit it was just part of the normal 150 yr cycle and has happened many times before? Is that the man made warming you mean? The fact that several periods in the not too distant past have been far warmer than this, and the cars back then were powered by hay.

There was a short little clip on TV the other day.
Greenland's ice is melting due to under ground volcanic activity. As well as the above ground action.

Quite a few years ago there was a scientific documentary (before the Gories ). There was a green group covering up Dirty Snow with giant white canvases. They did a few acres. Those acres melted slower than the snow & Ice surrounding them.

Seams there was some kind of competition and the canvas was the winning solution.

Now all we have to do is cover the world with white canvas. :confused3:

Great strategy. Its not Al Gore et al, it's the scientific community vs the established fossil fuel profiteers.

Loren

Give it up - you know not what you are saying.

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

I keep trying to remind people that climate statistics started when ...lets say 2000 years ago....and in North America maybe you can ask the red indians how far back their records go? Then we have have geologists and other oligists who tell us **** Sapiens have been around fair while some say 40- 100,000 years but lets say in Australia our natives did not keep records of the weather, just paintings on rocks and they aparently go back 40,000 years divided by 224 years white man has been keeping records ...wow my calculator cant take the zeros after the 0.000 being the statiscal period of the body of evidence we can rely on...

then we are told by geologists that there is mudstone with fish remnants in the middle of Australia so we can conclude one of two possibilities...the seas rose or the land dropped....over millions of years when not 7 billion people lived on this planet , but maybe 7 trillion, trillion fish and a few million maybe more **** Sapiens and how many Dinasours? So we have already been thru several cooling and warming episodes ans the poles have moved around as has the tropical areas been at the now cold poles. IMO the best we can do is move with the weather if governments were able to drop property transfer and capital gains taxes ...we could sell up to the non believers and move our locations...as the weather changes and insurance companies refused to carry insurance during heatwaves and flood periods... we are talking about generations not in our lifetime to be worrying about natures natural climate change.

We are being raped in Australia by these Crazy Greenies so much so that from 1st July our socialist govt introduced a CARBON TAX and refrigeration gases have gone up 4000% and one of our largest Chicken producers wants to retire suddenly after he realised that cold chichens and turkeys need refridgeration from the killing process to the eating stage...our electricity charges have gone up by 10-20% ,,,everything is going up...even the quarries are charging 12cents per ton CARBON TAX, but i cant get a rebate for my grass expelling Oxygen while using Carbon Dioxide.

Al Gore paid a visit to Australia spreading his ideas to our govt who are a bunch or morons even if they are otherwise nice ppl but they thought it was a great idea which we are now lumbered with now
GOOD LUCK.

 

[Egon]

these Crazy Greenies

I've often wondered what Greenies were. Are they really green? How did they get that way?

Why aren't there also people called say "Purples". Or "Orangies". Or say "Violeties"? Seems if one colour is used there should be more use of other colours!:thumbsup:

Before TBN me and a lot of other folk though Boogers were greenies!:cool2:

 

[toppop52]

Deny, deny, deny...reaccuse.

Great strategy. Its not Al Gore et al, it's the scientific community vs the established fossil fuel profiteers.

Loren

Yea, if you're a believer just ignore the NASA stunt, the email scandal, the fact that Europe and Alaska had record cold and snow, the fact that it's been far warmer this past millennium several times well before the industrial revolution, the fact that one of the fathers of AGW admitted he was wrong in his predictions, the fact that sea levels show no signs of rising anywhere near as fast as was predicted 10-15-20 years ago, etc, etc, etc....
Talk about deniers!

 

[Localmotion]

I keep trying to remind people that climate statistics started when ...lets say 2000 years ago....and in North America maybe you can ask the red indians how far back their records go? Then we have have geologists and other oligists who tell us **** Sapiens have been around fair while some say 40- 100,000 years but lets say in Australia our natives did not keep records of the weather, just paintings on rocks and they aparently go back 40,000 years divided by 224 years white man has been keeping records ...wow my calculator cant take the zeros after the 0.000 being the statiscal period of the body of evidence we can rely on...

then we are told by geologists that there is mudstone with fish remnants in the middle of Australia so we can conclude one of two possibilities...the seas rose or the land dropped....over millions of years when not 7 billion people lived on this planet , but maybe 7 trillion, trillion fish and a few million maybe more **** Sapiens and how many Dinasours? So we have already been thru several cooling and warming episodes ans the poles have moved around as has the tropical areas been at the now cold poles. IMO the best we can do is move with the weather if governments were able to drop property transfer and capital gains taxes ...we could sell up to the non believers and move our locations...as the weather changes and insurance companies refused to carry insurance during heatwaves and flood periods... we are talking about generations not in our lifetime to be worrying about natures natural climate change.

We are being raped in Australia by these Crazy Greenies so much so that from 1st July our socialist govt introduced a CARBON TAX and refrigeration gases have gone up 4000% and one of our largest Chicken producers wants to retire suddenly after he realised that cold chichens and turkeys need refridgeration from the killing process to the eating stage...our electricity charges have gone up by 10-20% ,,,everything is going up...even the quarries are charging 12cents per ton CARBON TAX, but i cant get a rebate for my grass expelling Oxygen while using Carbon Dioxide.

Al Gore paid a visit to Australia spreading his ideas to our govt who are a bunch or morons even if they are otherwise nice ppl but they thought it was a great idea which we are now lumbered with now
GOOD LUCK.

It's getting crazy in UK (& europe) too... as if our dairy industry didn't have enough price pressure, farmers are now having to monitor emmissions from our cows, and I fear a similar tax is on its way..... Likewise all types of farming are being encouraged to "get green" and even our outdated subsidy system (most UK farmers like myself hate subsidies by the way) is now based on environmental criteria and not the food we produce, meaning that the smaller farmers (and most likely less environmentally detrimental farms) are earning less.

I do not argue that global warming is happening - I do argue the causes, and strongly suspect that in a few generations everyone will be equally concerned at the rate of global cooling. I do believe in recycling and minimising out impact on the planet, but ultimately evolution is the very essance of life - if we do cause the end of the earth then is that not the ultimate finale of evolution?

My main concern with global warming is what will happen to all those scientists and environmental consulants when the planet does again cool down or people realise that there's nothing we can do to affect it - just think of the unemployment and loss of income to their families!!! Guessing us farmers will then face another tax - to help support them :banghead:

 

[Loren49]

Yea, if you're a believer just ignore the NASA stunt, the email scandal, the fact that Europe and Alaska had record cold and snow, the fact that it's been far warmer this past millennium several times well before the industrial revolution, the fact that one of the fathers of AGW admitted he was wrong in his predictions, the fact that sea levels show no signs of rising anywhere near as fast as was predicted 10-15-20 years ago, etc, etc, etc....
Talk about deniers!

Whether you are in the deny mode or the reaccuse mode you could help to add some validity to your statements with some supporting references. Other wise it is quite useless.

Loren

 

[houstonscott]

Each one of those items are well documented, available and know by anyone who even has even casually followed this issue in the news, science journals, or even TBN. No need to support those for you.

HS

Whether you are in the deny mode or the reaccuse mode you could help to add some validity to your statements with some supporting references. Other wise it is quite useless.

Loren

 

[Rainbody]

Show me your papers!
LMAO

 

[toppop52]

Whether you are in the deny mode or the reaccuse mode you could help to add some validity to your statements with some supporting references. Other wise it is quite useless.

Loren

What well read concerned person didn't see the NASA story where they showed the Greenland ice all melting in 4 days? It's not that there wasn't melting, but their claim that it was "unprecedented" and that it was a sure sign of man induced global warming was quickly proven wrong; Skeptics put the freeze on NASA 'hot air' about Greenland ice | Fox News

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

these Crazy Greenies

I've often wondered what Greenies were. Are they really green? How did they get that way?

Why aren't there also people called say "Purples". Or "Orangies". Or say "Violeties"? Seems if one colour is used there should be more use of other colours!:thumbsup:



Before TBN me and a lot of other folk though Boogers were greenies!:cool2:

Our Australian Greenies were born out of the not so extreme Labor Party.... the RED communist supporting type who got left out in the siberian cold when russians changed colour.. I used to call them the pink greens but had to change it to RED which is what members of the Communist paty in australia where called in the 1950's I dont know how they got the green title except they believe in leaving nature alone, leave that native grass to grow wild so i cant mow it even if it is a fire hazard...lol They like to have roads deviate along a natural path to save an endangered frog...that type of thing. Their hidden policies are even better than the KGB Secret service but they are a weird lots yet 10% of our sillier citizens think im wrong and do vote for them and some supporters are very wealthy too...the type that never actually worked in their lives... never grew a potato or garlic even. just lots of green wind....

 

[GILLYS CHILLI FARM AUSTRA]

these Crazy Greenies

I've often wondered what Greenies were. Are they really green? How did they get that way?

Why aren't there also people called say "Purples". Or "Orangies". Or say "Violeties"? Seems if one colour is used there should be more use of other colours!:thumbsup:



Before TBN me and a lot of other folk though Boogers were greenies!:cool2:

Our Australian Greenies were born out of the not so extreme Labor Party.... the RED communist supporting type who got left out in the siberian cold when russians changed colour.. I used to call them the pink greens but had to change it to RED which is what members of the Communist paty in australia where called in the 1950's I dont know how they got the green title except they believe in leaving nature alone, leave that native grass to grow wild so i cant mow it even if it is a fire hazard...lol They like to have roads deviate along a natural path to save an endangered frog...that type of thing. Their hidden policies are even better than the KGB Secret service but they are a weird lots yet 10% of our sillier citizens think im wrong and do vote for them and some supporters are very wealthy too...the type that never actually worked in their lives... never grew a potato or garlic even. just lots of green wind....