Glow plug tip

[yellowsocks93]

I am really cautious about starting combines and larger tractors with ether. Most have a yellow button that you press(looks like a horn button). If there are two things I hate it's jumping batteries and using ether. Too much risk of an explosion.

 

[Hypernix]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( On my 4110 the glow plugs only stay on about one second when I turn the key to the on position. I am judging this by the solenoid click I hear and the indicator lights getting brighter.
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On my tractor that one second of glow plug heating is not enough to make for an easy cold start in cold weather, which in my world in anything under 50 degrees.)</font>

Well I wanted to ask this question a while ago but since we are on the subject...

When I girst got my 4110, when I turned the key to on, after a few seconds (3 to 5) I would hear quite a loud click. This lasted about two weeks. Now when I turn the key to on, the click is so soft I'm having trouble hearing it. Is there a possibility here that something is wrong with the timming on this glow plug system?
When starting the tractor even during the summer, I always felt that during the first few seconds (10 - 30), the tractor ran a little rough for my linking. Anyways this winter I have been using the block heater all the time and the tractor is starting so much better and it dosen't run rough at all during the first seconds.
This is making me wonder if I should use the block heater even this summer! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I just can't keep myself from asking this again: Is that glow plug system setup correctly on the 4110s??? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Hyp3rnix

 

[4710and110TLB]

The glow plugs are never good to use ether with they remain hot which will cause them to mushroom inside the engine which is then like pulling a square piece of metal thourgh a round hole. On my 4710 and other similar sizes it uses an air heater which heats air to ignite the fuel but it only works if you hold the key in. It only needs it below 30 degrees or so. If you must use ether learn how to disconnect the heating system or just don't. You should not need to use the preheaters on any temp above 30 or 40 on the newer JD 4xxx series. Just my opinion.

 

[Tractors4u]

I know that the 2210 owners have discovered the trick you talk about. On my 4310 it has a preheat position on the key switch. Maybe this is something you have to do on the 4000 series but not on the 4X10 series.

 

[JClark]

From the comments here I think this tip only works on the models with indirect injection and glow plugs; 2210, 4010, 4100 and 4110. The rest of the 4xxx seem to use intake heaters in conjunction with their direct injection.

The trick works great for me. My 4110 now starts instantly with no rough running and almost no smoke.

I know from hard to start diesels, experience I gained in the boat business. Try an old Lister, those 1 and 2 cylinder Volvos and some of the old Perkins. That was where I learned to love Yanmar diesels. They seemed to ALWAYS start, regardless of the temp, and very rarely gave any trouble. I bought my 950 years ago because it was made by Yanmar, I did not care about the green paint.

 

[jimgerken]

My 4100 has the glow plugs which are timed to heat for about 5 seconds when the key is turned to "on". Then you turn it to "start" after hearing the second click (glowplugs de-energized). When the weather is below 30 degrees, I wait for the first five seconds, then turn the key "off" and do it again, for an additional 5 seconds of preheat. I have started it only once at 10 degrees F , and then used three preheat cycles. I have found that using plenty of preheat enables engine to start immediately without cranking too many times. I guess this notion evolved since all the other deisel engines I ever started had manual preheat buttons and a chart showing preheat times versus ambient temperatures. I remember sitting in the cold cold shed preheating for a minute and 15 seconds on an Oliver 1955, for occaisional winter use. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[fgross335_2210]

On my 2210 the glow plugs only come on in the "start" position and cycle for about 3-4 seconds. To start the engine I turn the PTO switch on and cycle the glow plugs. One time above 40 degrees, 2 times 20-40 degrees and 3 times when it gets really cold. Then I turn the PTO off and hit start again and she fires right up. Still runs rough when really cold but smooth within 30 seconds.

I did use the blockheater a few times and man what a difference! But I still needed at least one cycle of the glow plugs to get it started (sitting in an unheated/uninsulated building).