Glow Plugs ?

[Dave5264]

Hi All, 3 questions

1)how do i know if my Tractor has Glow plugs?

2) how do i know if they stop working? (hard to start in the cold I'd guess)

3) can you start a tractor with or without turning them on, if it has them ? or do they come on automatically?

Mine is a Montana 5264 with the 3 cyl Fiat Dielsel, 60's technology (UTB of Romania)

thanks

 

[KennyV]

I'm sure your (over 50 HP) tractor has them ... In Canada.
Without you should notice a BIG difference in summer/winter starts.
You can start without them but on most tractors it is an automatic, key to on wait for an indicator to either go out or light.
Some have a spot on the start key switch (like turn backwards and hold) for glow plugs.
You should have some type of activation on that tractor. KennyV

 

[kenstrac]

Is it the old style UTB tractor engine if so it has what is called Thermostart and no glow plug You can find it mounted on the intake manifold with a wire and a small fuel line running to it.
Glow plugs are mounted into the head and you should have 3 all connected with a wire or buss bar.

 

[Dave5264]

Yes, for sure I have an Intake heater /Thermostarter, the starter lever activates that if i swing it to the left to start (vs the right without intake heater)

Just wasnt sure on the Glow plugs as well....

thanks Guys

 

[pycoed]

Yes, for sure I have an Intake heater /Thermostarter, the starter lever activates that if i swing it to the left to start (vs the right without intake heater)

Just wasnt sure on the Glow plugs as well....

thanks Guys

I have the same engine in my Universal 445DT (that's an UTB 445DT). Mine has done around 7000 hours. You should feel the inlet manifold hot after activating the Thermostart (same switch on mine too!).

We don't get frosts ANYTHING like Canada here ( -5 deg C is cold for us & around ) deg C is more usual.) Mine takes a bit of starting in those conditions - left outside in the weather - I haven't got a shed yet. I've often thought it a pity it didn't have glowplugs because my diesel cars start instantly in any winter here.
Canada of course may be a bit different!! Do you have a block heater?

 

[RickB]

Hi All, 3 questions

1)how do i know if my Tractor has Glow plugs?

2) how do i know if they stop working? (hard to start in the cold I'd guess)

3) can you start a tractor with or without turning them on, if it has them ? or do they come on automatically?

Mine is a Montana 5264 with the 3 cyl Fiat Dielsel, 60's technology (UTB of Romania)

thanks

All these questions will be answered by reading a reasonably well written and edited OPERATOR'S MANUAL!

 

[KennyV]

All these questions will be answered by reading a reasonably well written and edited OPERATOR'S MANUAL!

BUT it is a LOT more fun to see the questions & answers right here... at a very friendly tractor forum... KennyV

 

[kenstrac]

All these questions will be answered by reading a reasonably well written and edited OPERATOR'S MANUAL!

But does the operators manual tell you about the injector pump cold start device?

 

[RickB]

But does the operators manual tell you about the injector pump cold start device?

Why would it not? Any operational feature of the tractor should be described in a decent Op manual. Try reading one sometime.

 

[kenstrac]

Why would it not? Any operational feature of the tractor should be described in a decent Op manual. Try reading one sometime.

BECAUSE it wasn't in the op manual I found it by mistake one day while I was repairing a pump and reading a CAV manual! I had over $3k of shop manuals I think I have read a few manuals in my time
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!.

 

[Dave5264]

RickB, the Montana manuals for the UTB Made machines are translated from Romanian (poorly). These manuals are cryptic at best, using english words that Ive never seen used in the context they're applied to...its quite funny in some cases. Additionally, theyre not actually a printed manual, they are photocopied pages bound with a Printed cover. So...10% is not readable due to fade, and 80% of the illustrations are just a mass of Blurred Gray and black...hard to deciper what your looking at. They may have been well written /Edited in Romanian but definitley not when they got Translated

Sorry if you find this posts irritating, if I had the information in a readable manual I wouldnt have asked.

My Tractor Starts well enough in the cold temps, I merely looking to understand if I have glow plugs, getting to know my tractor a bit better.

 

[Dave5264]

But does the operators manual tell you about the injector pump cold start device?

kenstrac, whats this cold start pump of which you speak, where to find it and how to operate it. The I dont see it referenced in my cryptic manual

 

[kenstrac]

kenstrac, whats this cold start pump of which you speak, where to find it and how to operate it. The I dont see it referenced in my cryptic manual

See if yours has this follow the diesel shut off rod back to the inj. pump you will see that the rod splits and comes back together,in that split there is a button that sticks up about the size of a nickle that is another cold start aid.
Watch the button and push the fuel shut off lever forward you will feel resistance and the button will move this allows more fuel on start up.

 

[Dave5264]

OK, thanks, will poke around see wht i can find

 

[KennK]

My John Deere 3320 manual SAYS it has glow plugs, but quite a while back someone told me that they are not "real" glow plugs in that they don't sit inside the cylinder, but are inside the intake manifold instead - or something similar to that.

Does anyone here know how the JD 3320 glow plugs are set up?

Also, the manual says to run them for 10 seconds before starting, and then to continue to keep the glow plugs on after its started until it is running smooth. (1) Does it harm anything to have them on for 20-30 seconds before starting - on really cold days? and (2) I've never kept them on as the engine warmed. Does that add much wear? - either to the glow plugs having them on, or to the engine when not having them on?

Thanks,

Ken