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[Dargo]

One of managements biggest tools that they use against you is to try to divide you, and pit you against each other. They have did that since the very beginning.

I have no idea where you are coming from or who did what to you, but your view appears to be consistent with one shared among people standing in line at the unemployment office commiserating with each other as to why nothing is their fault and how "the man" got them. I cannot think of a worse attitude. I've worked jobs doing everything from cleaning septic systems, running a jack hammer, operating all sorts of heavy equipment, working as a welder, to sales jobs before I worked in management, training and then owning my own businesses. At no point in time has any management ever tried to divide workers and pit them against each other! I don't intend to be rude, but that is about the most ludicrous statement I've ever heard. Someone from some sort of twisted union has fed you the most bogus "them against us" BS I've ever heard and you've fallen for it.

My managers have several duties to perform, but in general they are commissioned with keeping operations profitable and running smoothly. When I have to get involved it is because one of my managers has not done their job properly or a situation is so large that they have asked for my assistance with the matter. Management is there to increase the productivity of the people they are in charge of. In no way, shape, or form are they there to divide and conquer! There are no mind games to pit one worker against another. How would that possibly serve any manager?!

Again, I don't intend to be to blunt, but what you typed is ridiculous. It sounds like some ploy by a bad union to keep their sheep from opening their eyes. What you imply is a "them against us" mentality. That is a guaranteed recipe for failure! If a company does not work as a unit towards a single goal it does not have a chance of surviving. Maybe that is why all of the non-union automakers have a "team" concept. They all work together, utilizing ideas from everyone, to achieve their goal. There is no "them against us" attitude with management. If the UAW has succeeded in convincing even a small portion of their membership to swallow that farce it's no wonder the union shops are failing to the point that they cannot weather the current world recession. In the last twenty five years that I've spent in management and ownership I've never seen any manager attempt what you suggest. If they did, I'd be forced to remove them from their position. And, since I do not have any union telling me what to do, I can do that with my employees. Apparently they don't do that because I've never had to fire a manager. Actually, I have extremely low turnover with employees now that I think about it. I don't think you could run most of them off even with a big stick.

 

[Builder]

Well said. Seems like the unions were first put into place to improve workplace safety & job security. Now that our gov't has become socialist to the point of regulating jobsite conditions & safety (OSHA, etc) and providing money if someone loses their job (WELFARE, unemployment, etc.) the only thing left the unions are useful for is negotiating pay & benefits.

I'm sure the average worker that doesn't work in a union can negotiate his/her own salary & benefits.

I say let the free market dictate wages & benefits, not the threat of a strike.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Well said. Seems like the unions were first put into place to improve workplace safety & job security. Now that our gov't has become socialist to the point of regulating jobsite conditions & safety (OSHA, etc) and providing money if someone loses their job (WELFARE, unemployment, etc.) the only thing left the unions are useful for is negotiating pay & benefits.

I'm sure the average worker that doesn't work in a union can negotiate his/her own salary & benefits.

I say let the free market dictate wages & benefits, not the threat of a strike.

That's right, I have done fine on my own up to this point and see no need for them. Like you said, they were needed at one time but that time is long gone. Now they just put fear into the worker to keep them on the side of the union. Like I said, someone is getting rich off it.

Chris

 

[redneckford]

Well said. Seems like the unions were first put into place to improve workplace safety & job security. Now that our gov't has become socialist to the point of regulating jobsite conditions & safety (OSHA, etc) and providing money if someone loses their job (WELFARE, unemployment, etc.) the only thing left the unions are useful for is negotiating pay & benefits.

I'm sure the average worker that doesn't work in a union can negotiate his/her own salary & benefits.

I say let the free market dictate wages & benefits, not the threat of a strike.

I think that is how they do it in Mexico-----wonder why no one wants to stay there and work-----THOSE HIGH SALARIES AND BENEFITS??????

 

[WilliamBos]

That's right, I have done fine on my own up to this point and see no need for them. Like you said, they were needed at one time but that time is long gone. Now they just put fear into the worker to keep them on the side of the union. Like I said, someone is getting rich off it.

Chris

And the instill fear in to the wrong workers. If someone is slacking off, and you try to discipline them, you are nailed by the union for going against a brother, and the slacker has an ignorant smile on their faces.

There days are gone!!

 

[gemini5362]

Give it up. The unions are dead. Look at all the industries they have run into the ground like the textiles, airline, steel, mining, and now the auto here in the US. Its not the union worker, its the union management. I have always said someone is getting rich off of the unions. Its just like the mob of the 30's, its like you give me a few dollars every week and I will make sure nothing bad will happen. Kind of a insurance policy. The unions themselves have put up a glass wall between the worker and company management. When the shop my dad works at, still does and has for 35+ years, got rid of the union in the 90's things got better. Now everyone works side by side to get the job done, be profitable, make the best product, and be competitive. Sound familiar? Well it should, its how the Honda and Toyota plants are run. These are the same workers that could not make a suggestion to the management before the contract was broken. Why do you think that was? Its one of the you tell me and I will tell them and that will make me look good and like I am doing something. Nothing you ever say or do will make me change my mind and I am sure you pro union folks feel the same way but your day is coming.

I agree things are not fair with trade but that falls back to the government, not the pro/anti union folks.

Chris

Lets see what i can say about your post. First of all the pitting workers against each other is a very popular management technique in some circles. There are managers who feel employess who are irate work harder and are more productive. I am not saying that is a good technique I am just saying that I have seen managers do that on more than one occasion. You talk about firing managers. That is almost never done. I actually love that fact that they don't. I win more termination cases because managers rant and rave in arbitration how someone is untrustworthy or how they have to be terminated because what they did is so heinous that termination is the only fitting discipline for that offense. Then I get to put the fact that a manager or several managers have done the same thing and there was no discipline involved. Makes it a lot easier to keep one of those awful union employees from getting terminated.


Someone getting rich off of the unions. That is an interesting comment. There is probably no company in the United States that recieves the scrutiny that a union does. The Department of Labor is the agency that is tasked with watching out over unions. In my union we had an employee steal some union funds. He embezzled the money. Once we caught on to what he was doing we took the proper steps to recover the money. We went to prosecute him and found out that we could not prosecute it had to be done by the labor department. We invoked his bond to recover our money and turned our files over to the labor board. We had to scramble to avoid charges from the labor board because he stole money on our watch. How many of the people that own buisness here have to worry about being arrested because an employee stole money from them.


Unions not being accessible. Not sure how that is in other unions. In my union I talk to every officer at a minimum of every two years. We have a convention every other year. At that convention any changes to our constitution or to the way we run buisness is discussed and voted on. Every officer is there and for the most part you can go up to them and just chat about what ever. If not then you can go to a microphone during the buisness meeting and ask whatever questions you have. In between conventions if I have a question that I need asked I call our union headquarters and ask the apropriate resident officer. If they are not in I leave a message and have them return a call. I have always had my calls returned and had them answer my questions or give me the help I have needed. I dont know about other unions but that is the way it is in ours. I would mention that when I go to AFL of CIO meeting I seem to be able to get access to whoever I want to then also.

If you want to watch some union members on tv watch the discovery channel program Sandhogs. Those are union members doing that job.

 

[gemini5362]

Nothing you ever say or do will make me change my mind and I am sure you pro union folks feel the same way but your day is coming.

I agree things are not fair with trade but that falls back to the government, not the pro/anti union folks.

Chris[/QUOTE]

Our day is coming ?

Next time you want to complain about your children or hear someone else complain about their children or grandchildren not having health insurance, Or benfits just remember that if you are working at a union shop you probably have health insurance and benefits. I personally think it is unrealistic that someone with a 6 figure income should talk about how unions are dead and not needed. You are not the typical person that is trying to just make enough money to buy groceries. I know that you are going to point out how hard you have worked to get where you are. Let me point out something I have also worked hard to get where I am at. I have probably put in as many or more hours at my jobs in my lifetime than you have. Just because you have worked hard does not mean you necessarily get ahead. Sometimes you just have to get a lucky break or be in the right place at the right time. Not everyone gets those breaks no matter how hard they work.

 

[gemini5362]

Well said. Seems like the unions were first put into place to improve workplace safety & job security. Now that our gov't has become socialist to the point of regulating jobsite conditions & safety (OSHA, etc) and providing money if someone loses their job (WELFARE, unemployment, etc.) the only thing left the unions are useful for is negotiating pay & benefits.

I'm sure the average worker that doesn't work in a union can negotiate his/her own salary & benefits.

I say let the free market dictate wages & benefits, not the threat of a strike.

builder OSHA is a joke. Any employee that depends on them to protect them is in serious trouble. I have seen OSHA at work. Something to do with the chemical that my dad worked on and people working with it developing lung cancer. Osha decided his company was not protecting employees against this chemical correctly. The fined the company for this violation. Of course I am being lenient with the word fined. I think 650.00 to a fortune 500 company is more of a bad attempt at being humorous.


By the way did I mention that my father died of lung cancer. So tell me again how OSHA protects people


By the way is their not an agency in the United States that protects miners. Where were they when they had that mine collapse in Utah.

 

[redneckford]

builder OSHA is a joke. Any employee that depends on them to protect them is in serious trouble. I have seen OSHA at work. Something to do with the chemical that my dad worked on and people working with it developing lung cancer. Osha decided his company was not protecting employees against this chemical correctly. The fined the company for this violation. Of course I am being lenient with the word fined. I think 650.00 to a fortune 500 company is more of a bad attempt at being humorous.


By the way did I mention that my father died of lung cancer. So tell me again how OSHA protects people


By the way is their not an agency in the United States that protects miners. Where were they when they had that mine collapse in Utah.

OSHA----kinda like the SEC protects investors on wall street-----Burney sure paid off the right person to run that pyramid scheme----he paid them off one way or the other ----he never got caught in all these years----some people do their job with pride ----some people do their job for money---some people watch others do the job----and want to draw a check just for watching union and non union----it is the person doing the job that makes the difference not the pay scale or the position-----self safety does matter----I'm here from the government to protect you----yea right!!!!! put your hand back in your pocket and get it out of my wallet!!!!! Wether they work with you or far you individuals make the difference!!!! not numbers of employee's---those that can do those that can't---------you know the saying!!!!

 

[Diamondpilot]

Please list the 6 figure pilot jobs you know of because I am looking. I have been a paid pilot since 1992 and am no where near that figure and cant think of anyone I know at that figure who is flying corporate aircraft.

Chris