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[gemini5362]

Please list the 6 figure pilot jobs you know of because I am looking. I have been a paid pilot since 1992 and am no where near that figure and cant think of anyone I know at that figure who is flying corporate aircraft.

Chris

I am sorry I forgot you were not a union pilot

 

[Diamondpilot]

The Union ones made that until they got to greedy and nearly put the airlines out of business. Now they make 1/2 of what they did 4 years ago and are happy to have jobs.

Another fine Union screw up. But hey I already mentioned the airlines and unions in post #174. You remember, its when I listed some examples of how the unions ruined a good thing for everyone and lost jobs for everyone.

Chris

 

[Builder]

builder OSHA is a joke. Any employee that depends on them to protect them is in serious trouble. I have seen OSHA at work. Something to do with the chemical that my dad worked on and people working with it developing lung cancer. Osha decided his company was not protecting employees against this chemical correctly. The fined the company for this violation. Of course I am being lenient with the word fined. I think 650.00 to a fortune 500 company is more of a bad attempt at being humorous.


By the way did I mention that my father died of lung cancer. So tell me again how OSHA protects people


By the way is their not an agency in the United States that protects miners. Where were they when they had that mine collapse in Utah.

Just because there's a gov't organization in place to protect people, it doesn't mean it will work all the time.

The point I was trying to make is that we're way past the days of sweatshops. That's when unions were needed.

Today's workplaces are relatively clean & safe-thanks to unions and gov't. However, like I said in my original point, now that workers can work in relative safety, the unions are no longer needed nearly as much as they were. The unions seem too one sided-holding their employers to the threat of strike unless unreasonable demands are met by the employer.

Bottom line is UAW workers make lavish wages, pensions & benefits compared to workers of the same ilk in the non-union world. There's no way you can justify making $75,000/yr (or more) + benefits + retirement to do unskilled labor when you have skilled labor making less in non-union jobs.

I work construction and hire some union shops to work on my jobsites. For example, I have a union HVAC shop I use sometimes on new construction. They will not work in attics installing ductwork for the summer or when it's over 90 degrees. Want to know why? Because "it's too hot for the workers" is the shop foreman's answer. The non-union shops will gladly work in hot attics all summer long and do it for less wages and smaller benefits.

It's just gotten too one-sided in favor of the unions. And I'm married to a union employee. She even thinks the union is ridiculous.

 

[Diamondpilot]

And I'm married to a union employee. She even thinks the union is ridiculous.

I knew I like you. You married a smart woman.

Chris

 

[Builder]

Please list the 6 figure pilot jobs you know of because I am looking. I have been a paid pilot since 1992 and am no where near that figure and cant think of anyone I know at that figure who is flying corporate aircraft.

Chris

It's true. I coach football with a pilot (he flies private cargo jets) and he does not make a lot of money. I'd guess 70 grand. He is an ex military pilot.

 

[gemini5362]

Just because there's a gov't organization in place to protect people, it doesn't mean it will work all the time.

The point I was trying to make is that we're way past the days of sweatshops. That's when unions were needed.

Today's workplaces are relatively clean & safe-thanks to unions and gov't. However, like I said in my original point, now that workers can work in relative safety, the unions are no longer needed nearly as much as they were. The unions seem too one sided-holding their employers to the threat of strike unless unreasonable demands are met by the employer.

Bottom line is UAW workers make lavish wages, pensions & benefits compared to workers of the same ilk in the non-union world. There's no way you can justify making $75,000/yr (or more) + benefits + retirement to do unskilled labor when you have skilled labor making less in non-union jobs.

I work construction and hire some union shops to work on my jobsites. For example, I have a union HVAC shop I use sometimes on new construction. They will not work in attics installing ductwork for the summer or when it's over 90 degrees. Want to know why? Because "it's too hot for the workers" is the shop foreman's answer. The non-union shops will gladly work in hot attics all summer long and do it for less wages and smaller benefits.

It's just gotten too one-sided in favor of the unions. And I'm married to a union employee. She even thinks the union is ridiculous.

The link I provided to a cnn report was based on a company that specializes in consultant work in the trasnportation industrry. They advise transportation management. The report that CNN quotes has exactly opposite of what you guys are saying. They say that UAW workers make about the same thing as Toyota and Honda pays. The main difference in company employee expense is retirement benefits. Those are something apparently the UAW is trying to address by getting the employer to pay a fixed amount of money into a fund and then the UAW managing that fund. CNN actually goes on to say the most efficient run automobile plants are union plants. My link is saying something totally opposed to what you guys are saying. I am not saying that they are right just saying they are quoteing a report issued by a non union consultant firm. Do you guys have any links or researchable facts to back up your posts ? If you do I would love to see them so I can compare data.

 

[gemini5362]

It's true. I coach football with a pilot (he flies private cargo jets) and he does not make a lot of money. I'd guess 70 grand. He is an ex military pilot.

What is sad is that a lot of professional people do not make nearly the money that they should for the amount of training their job requires. On the other hand there are other perks besides money. I would go nuts for instance on an assembly line. Unless my family was starving no amount of money would get me to stand there and work day after day after day doing the same job.

 

[WilliamBos]

CNN actually goes on to say the most efficient run automobile plants are union plants. My link is saying something totally opposed to what you guys are saying. I am not saying that they are right just saying they are quoting a report issued by a non union consultant firm.

If they are so efficient, then why are they getting a handout from our governments??

 

[Builder]

What is sad is that a lot of professional people do not make nearly the money that they should for the amount of training their job requires. On the other hand there are other perks besides money. I would go nuts for instance on an assembly line. Unless my family was starving no amount of money would get me to stand there and work day after day after day doing the same job.

I would guess 1/2 the jobs in this country involve basically doing the same thing over & over again. I also have seen where assembly line workers can rotate repetitive jobs.

What I think is pretty sad is that a pilot charged with being responsible for the lives of people and cargo and who must undergo training in flight school & avionics make about the same salary as an unskilled laborer bolting seats into a pontiac.

The pilot probably works rougher hours, is away from his family more, has less retirement perks and can't get paid for not working for a year, either.

 

[WilliamBos]

I would guess 1/2 the jobs in this country involve basically doing the same thing over & over again. I also have seen where assembly line workers can rotate repetitive jobs.

What I think is pretty sad is that a pilot charged with being responsible for the lives of people and cargo and who must undergo training in flight school & avionics make about the same salary as an unskilled laborer bolting seats into a pontiac.

The pilot probably works rougher hours, is away from his family more, has less retirement perks and can't get paid for not working for a year, either.

Yeah, and equally sad is all the Techs who had to sacrifice for schooling and spend a minimum of $50K on tools, only to make less than the folks who build the cars. How fair is that??