GM Truck Warranty

[Builder]

New Kia, maybe.

New Civic for $15K?

No.

 

[redneckford]

New Kia, maybe.

New Civic for $15K?

No.

What about an '08 Chevy Malibu 32 MPG THAT A FACT!!!! good ride and good mileage better built than those two others IMO

 

[Builder]

What about an '08 Chevy Malibu 32 MPG THAT A FACT!!!! good ride and good mileage better built than those two others IMO

Atta boy!

 

[Diamondpilot]

New Kia, maybe.

New Civic for $15K?

No.

The Civic sells for right at 15K. My local dealer had them sitting at the mall for $14999 with auto and air plus a few other options. It was a no haggle price.
2009 Honda Civic Coupe - the Official Honda Web site

Its $200 dollars more on the site but either way any car for under $20K like the Malibu, Honda, Kia, F-150, or for that matter a gas hog would be a smarter buy. Like I said you can buy a lotta beer and gas with that money you save.

No matter how you cut it the Volt will be a total flop. In 2006 GM made 9 different Hybrid Vehicles that sold a grand total of less than 5,000 units. This equaled millions of dollars of loss after R&D. People have figured out that its much cheaper to buy a sensible car that gets good mpg over a overpriced Hybrid.

I picked up a Saturn in April of this year. It has averaged 33.6 mpg and all in all its been a good car. I did have the sunroof jump track and a power window go out half way up. So to say GM's quality is equal to the imports, you have not convinced me. I really don't care for GM products but could not pass on this car. It was driven by the dealerships manager and was like new with nearly a 25% savings. I was not looking for a Saturn but just stumbled on it looking for a sensible used car.



Chris

 

[Builder]

I totally agree with your idea (buy a cheap gas car & forget the electric car), but there's no way after you pay tax & tags you're getting a Honda Civic for 15K. You're close, though.

The point is, there's a lot of pressure to build cars that don't use fuel. So GM goes & builds one and you and others criticize it.

How can they ever win? Sometimes it seems like the big 3 can't win no matter what they do and the foreign automakers are above criticism.

 

[Diamondpilot]

The problem with the Volt has nothing to do with it being from GM or any other American company. The problem is 40 miles range at $45,000. They are jumping the gun. They need better battery technology. Guess who is doing most of that work? Big oil. They are highly invested in battery tech. They are getting the raw materials from overseas. They will jack up the price on the raw materials and we will be no better off than we are with oil

Chris

 

[redneckford]

Electric Train???? Plane???? I think you understand the point!


The bath room is the most expensive room in a house----how many new houses do you see without a bath room---some have more that one(3??)!!

 

[Builder]

The problem with the Volt has nothing to do with it being from GM or any other American company. The problem is 40 miles range at $45,000. They are jumping the gun. They need better battery technology. Guess who is doing most of that work? Big oil. They are highly invested in battery tech. They are getting the raw materials from overseas. They will jack up the price on the raw materials and we will be no better off than we are with oil

Chris

Actually, the Volt can go more than 40 miles. It's engine kicks on and begins to consume a small amount of fuel after 40 miles.

I agree that it's a gimick more than any real substantial leap in technology. What I'm trying to say is every nitwit and their mother asks for "green" technology in cars, GM brings green cars to the street and no one buys them . I think all these Al Gore blowhards just like to sound important, but when it comes time to use their own money to actually go green, they come up small.

I think the Tahoe hybrid is a much more sensible vehicle. It has no drop off in power. At 360+ HP It's more powerful than a normal V-8 Tahoe. If you drive a lot of miles, it can pay for itself and it does lower emissions into the atmosphere. It doesn't have to be plugged-in and raise the owners electric bills. It has no drop off in interior space, comfort or driveablility. It comes in 4x4 and can tow a decent amount of weight.

That makes a lot more sense to me. Better battery technology will make hybrids even better. They have a way to go, but so did diesel pickups and they got a LOT better in the last 5-10 years.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I agree. The focus should be on making the big gas guzzlers better. The little cars like the Kia, Honda, Saturn, ect all ready do a decent job. I get a magazine from Ford every quarter. About 3 years ago they had a 5.4 4x4 F-150 that got around 60 mpg in town. It got the same mpg on the highway, about 18. They way it worked was they took away 3 inches of bed depth and below the bed it had a large tank similar to a well bladder tank. I think it was 100 gallons or so and what it did was use the auto tranny to pressurize the bladder tank with tranny fluid. It then used that fluid to propel the vehicle until it was used up then it went off the engine. That's why it did so good in stop and go and no better on the highway. The truck also had something like 800 ft lbs of torque from a dead stop. Anyway I never hear another thing about it.

Anyway, they really need to look at the big cars and adapting diesels to the cars folks are buying now. My sister just bought a Accord 2 weeks ago and they have a diesel coming out in the Accord in June with 52 mpg.

Chris

 

[nmu98]

Actually, the Volt can go more than 40 miles. It's engine kicks on and begins to consume a small amount of fuel after 40 miles.

I agree that it's a gimick more than any real substantial leap in technology. What I'm trying to say is every nitwit and their mother asks for "green" technology in cars, GM brings green cars to the street and no one buys them . I think all these Al Gore blowhards just like to sound important, but when it comes time to use their own money to actually go green, they come up small.

I think the Tahoe hybrid is a much more sensible vehicle. It has no drop off in power. At 360+ HP It's more powerful than a normal V-8 Tahoe. If you drive a lot of miles, it can pay for itself and it does lower emissions into the atmosphere. It doesn't have to be plugged-in and raise the owners electric bills. It has no drop off in interior space, comfort or driveablility. It comes in 4x4 and can tow a decent amount of weight.

That makes a lot more sense to me. Better battery technology will make hybrids even better. They have a way to go, but so did diesel pickups and they got a LOT better in the last 5-10 years.

My wife drives a Denali with the 6.2L and has 400hp ish... Not sure on real numbers. It gets about 17 on avaerage driving for her. I wanted it because its full time all wheel drive. It was over 56K new a year ago.(sticker)

Today, while getting the recalls done on my truck and hers, we looked at a new Yukon hybrid. The interior is comparable to my trucks. The denali is a cadillac interior and much nicer!, The hybrid has a 3.08 rear end, she has a 3.73. The hybris was rated at 20/20..... Hers 16/19..... The hybrids sticker... 56K... You get much less of a vehicle, and very little MPG increase. I could not put my dollar in that knowing that the batteries might cost big money shortly, and I could have a nicer, more capable vehicle with a gasser. I might even make out with the gasser, pending how the maintenance and battery life turns out.

I like the yukon hybrid idea, until today......