Going to look at a tractor tomorrow, tell me what to look for...

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flusher said:
Let the engine run for 15-20 minutes at fast idle. Check the radiator hoses (top should be hot, bottom should be warm).

With only 60 hours on the engine, the exhaust output should be nearly invisible (black smoke = probably OK, lotsa white smoke= possible water leak into the combustion chambers, blue smoke=burning oil).

Engage the pto and run the engine rpm up to the pto mark on the tach. Listen for suspicious noises.

Check the 3pt controls to be sure that the lift arms are working OK. Best if these pto/3pt checks are done with a mower on the tractor, but that usually isn't possible in this kind of deal.

Flusher, Thanks for these hints. I pretty much rolled the dice on my tractor and got lucky, but I appreciate this type of practical advice in looking for obvious things wrong with a tractor. I'm not that mechanically inclined so these types of hints really help. I saw "blue smoke" posted elsewhere and wondered what the colors indicate. Luckily on my 1991 Ford all I see is a tad of black smoke when I give her lot's of fuel.


dieselfuelonly, have you tried looking on tractorhouse.com They have a pretty good selection usually.
 
   / Going to look at a tractor tomorrow, tell me what to look for... #12  
scott_vt said:
Mornin Deiselfuelonly,
Welcome to TBN, lots of great folks on here to help you spend your money ! ;)

I would keep looking for your tractor, Roy gave you a good link. The Massey 135 would be a great machine as long as you found one in good shape !

It sounds like you have some mechanical apptitude, simply by mentioning that the tractor you went to look at had sloppy ball joints. I was going to mention it might not be a bad idea to bring someone more knowledgable than yourself to look at these tractors. Someone with a fair amount of experience could spot potential problems, that could cost money down the road !

Good luck in your search !

Howdy Scotty!

A second set of eyes, even untrained eyes, isn't a bad idea. Often times, someone very knowledgable will "zone in" on major areas of concern and simply look right on past the obvious small details. A simple "why is this leaking?" or "why is this part not working right?" may lead you to examine a problem you might have otherwise overlooked.

As was mentioned, a 135 Massey Ferguson is a WONDERFUL tractor if it's in good mechanical condition. They were the most popular small utility tractor built in their day. Some very well preserved (or restored) examples still exist. The one described COULD be made into a good tractor in all likelyhood, but by the sounds of things, a "winter project" ISN'T what is being looked for at this point.

I'm not dead set against grey market tractors, but I'd think long and hard before spending money on a used one. Know for certain there are parts available. In short order, even a new tractor becomes a used tractor. There's absolutely nothing wrong with used, provided it's not been abused.
 
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#13  
Guys, wow, thanks so much for all the help. I can't believe that this has already become a 2 page thread in the matter of 12 hours or so!

I have 2 Dodge Ram diesel trucks, hence where my name comes from. I know a bit about diesels and diesel performance, and I don't mind tinkering with things in the least, but right now I do not want something that is just going to be one thing to fix after another.

Spiveyman, thanks for the link! I've been searching EquipmentTraderOnline and Craigslist and have found about every tractor known to man in my price range of less than $5,000 there.

I found a couple on that site that looked nice. Can you give me opinions? I know Yanmar has a good reputation for diesel boat motors, but I don't know much about their tractors.

1975 MASSEY-FERGUSON 130 For Sale at TractorHouse.com

YANMAR YM2000 For Sale at TractorHouse.com

YANMAR YM1610D For Sale at TractorHouse.com

1988 INTERNATIONAL 234 For Sale at TractorHouse.com

Thanks again for all the help guys! I will tell you all how it goes with the Nortrac when I get back.
 
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dieselfuelonly said:
Guys, wow, thanks so much for all the help. I can't believe that this has already become a 2 page thread in the matter of 12 hours or so!

I have 2 Dodge Ram diesel trucks, hence where my name comes from. I know a bit about diesels and diesel performance, and I don't mind tinkering with things in the least, but right now I do not want something that is just going to be one thing to fix after another.

Spiveyman, thanks for the link! I've been searching EquipmentTraderOnline and Craigslist and have found about every tractor known to man in my price range of less than $5,000 there.

I found a couple on that site that looked nice. Can you give me opinions? I know Yanmar has a good reputation for diesel boat motors, but I don't know much about their tractors.

1975 MASSEY-FERGUSON 130 For Sale at TractorHouse.com

YANMAR YM2000 For Sale at TractorHouse.com

YANMAR YM1610D For Sale at TractorHouse.com

1988 INTERNATIONAL 234 For Sale at TractorHouse.com

Thanks again for all the help guys! I will tell you all how it goes with the Nortrac when I get back.


I'm nuts about old Massey FErgusons. I'd be the last person on earth to talk anyone out of buying one.

DON'T BUY THAT 130!!!!!!

When the 100 series Masseys came out, they still had a strong demand for a smaller tractor than the 135. Ford built the 2000. Their 3000 was comparable to the 135. Massey wanted their version of the same size. Enter the French built 130.

Exit the French built 130.

Parts are virtually non existant. Brakes failed almost from day one. The little Perkins diesel was just too lightly built.

Even before the 100 series, Massey built the MF25. Same story. RUN.

They MIGHT get to be a collectors item some day, but as for a working tractor, cross them off your list.
 
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#15  
Well I think I'm going to look at that Yanmar YM2000. From what I read here on the site it seems as though they are pretty good, simple, powerful machines.

I'll tell you how it goes!

Thanks,

Dennis
 
   / Going to look at a tractor tomorrow, tell me what to look for... #16  
I think you are probably going to see the best tractor in your list.

As FWJ said, the 130 is a big no no.

I have never seen an International like the one you posted. I would question the parts availibility for it.

The Yanmars look the best from that list.
 
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Grrrr said:
The Yanmars look the best from that list.

Those are probably grey market tractors. If you're OK with doing most of your own maintenance and repairs...well, that will help.
Also, check out the Yanmar and Grey Market Tractor forums on TBN. Those folks can give you the best info.

BTW, when I suggested some used Deeres in my first post...all of those tractors were built by Yanmar under Deere specs, including boh of the very reliable Deeres I have owned (670 and 790).

The big thing is parts availability and repairs. Deere would have the parts and repair capabilitites for the machines they sold, but you may be on your own if you go grey market.
 
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Well, I just go back from a longgg day of driving to see the Yanmar YM2000. Driving 2 and a half hours in a straight pipe turbodiesel with non-working a/c in 100* weather will wear you out fast! However I think I am going to get it. It was very clean, he had got it serviced about 40 hours ago, it has a new starter, new alternator, and a new 1000CCA battery.

It idled good, ran well, the clutch felt good, it grabbed quickly at the bottom and not at the top, the high/low range worked, the PTO worked good, lift worked good, the thing would flat out haul when in 4th gear high range @ about 2000RPM.

Tach worked, hour meter worked, signal lights worked, horn didn't work :( (now I can't honk at stuff in the field :) oh well I'll put an air horn on it :)), he had wired up the headlight switch so that he could turn on/off the pump to a sprayer he had in the back, but he left the headlight wiring connected so I could hook it up if I wanted to.

The light facing backwards worked, none of the warning lights were on, it seemed all in all to be a very good little tractor.

He was including a 4' bush hog which worked great (may need a new blade at some point, but for now its ok), and a scraper blade (the kind that attaches to the rear).

I didn't check to see if it had power steering or not, but it was easy to turn either way.

From what I read on here people that have the tractor like them a lot.

It didn't seem to burn any oil other than a quick puff of blue smoke when I revved it up the first time that only occurred that first time I revved it up, so I think the engine is in good shape.

Can you all prepare me a little for what I will need to do in terms of maintenance?
 
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dieselfuelonly said:
Well, I just go back from a longgg day of driving to see the Yanmar YM2000. Driving 2 and a half hours in a straight pipe turbodiesel with non-working a/c in 100* weather will wear you out fast! However I think I am going to get it. It was very clean, he had got it serviced about 40 hours ago, it has a new starter, new alternator, and a new 1000CCA battery.

It idled good, ran well, the clutch felt good, it grabbed quickly at the bottom and not at the top, the high/low range worked, the PTO worked good, lift worked good, the thing would flat out haul when in 4th gear high range @ about 2000RPM.

Tach worked, hour meter worked, signal lights worked, horn didn't work :( (now I can't honk at stuff in the field :) oh well I'll put an air horn on it :)), he had wired up the headlight switch so that he could turn on/off the pump to a sprayer he had in the back, but he left the headlight wiring connected so I could hook it up if I wanted to.

The light facing backwards worked, none of the warning lights were on, it seemed all in all to be a very good little tractor.

He was including a 4' bush hog which worked great (may need a new blade at some point, but for now its ok), and a scraper blade (the kind that attaches to the rear).

I didn't check to see if it had power steering or not, but it was easy to turn either way.

From what I read on here people that have the tractor like them a lot.

It didn't seem to burn any oil other than a quick puff of blue smoke when I revved it up the first time that only occurred that first time I revved it up, so I think the engine is in good shape.

Can you all prepare me a little for what I will need to do in terms of maintenance?

Congrats on your new tractor.

Jot down the ID numbers of the filters that are on the tractor now (assuming they are still readable) and locate a supplier for these items. You may want to cross-reference the filters to find equivalents from other manufacturers.

You should ask the previous owner what brand and weight engine oil and hydraulic fluid is in the tractor now.

Ask him if you will need any special tools to do periodic maintenance. For example on my Kubota B7510HST I had to buy a deep 1-1/8" socket to get a screen filter removed from the hydraulics unit.

Does your tractor have a temp gauge and oil pressure gauge? If so, be sure that these are working OK. IMHO, these two gauges are the most important ones.

Are the tires liquid-filled? If so, what liquid is in there now?
 
   / Going to look at a tractor tomorrow, tell me what to look for... #20  
Mostly same as your truck keep oil changed and filters (oil, air and fuel). Check radiator fill and fuel sediment/water seperator bowl if equiped. Run a little diesel fuel additive at least occasionally. Grease it at all pivot points and zerks often (suppose to grease daily before operation). Keep it clean blow off grass crud with a strong leaf blower after cutting field. Wash and wax hood and the big surfaces the sun beats on. Pressure wash it occasionally. Spray rust preventative on any exposed threaded linkage adjustments.

If you shop some more here are my suggestions:
I like to crank up a tractor cold to see how it starts and runs at first. Be leary of one that someone has warmed up before you arrive. If you can meet them early in the morning and tell them you'll walk if the tractor is warmed up before you arrive. Look for excessive blowby at breather or take off oil fill. Rev and see how bad she smokes and quickly it clears. Operate in every gear and take it up to top speed. Lift something and operate hydraulics. Operate brakes independantly. Operate everything and adjust linkages some. Let it run and look for leaks. Check fluids. Look at repair parts, wiring, and for any welds. Ask for any paperwork receipts and repair manuals for the tractor.
 

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