Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX

   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #21  
I was not sure who I was asking Is it Travis who works for EA? I see what your saying and I have been looking at EA Wicked Root Grapple and it looks like the jaws will close to the lower matching tines but stops there and you would still have the arch opening behind that. Can someone post a picture of one closed all the way? If you look at the root rake style grapple it looks like the top clamp can go past the lower tines and leave very little between the two parts so you could pinch small branches and stuff.

Post #2 fourth pix from the left shows the front closed all the way, and it is just as you said, the tines do not "scissor" past each other, they close solid. But it is not a problem. For a large log you let it come into the "gullet" of the grapple, for a small log that would rattle around in the grapple gullet, you can either pinch it in the times or if picking up multiple small logs let them stack in the gullet. You pick up your first log in the tines, then take it over to your second log and drop it on top of the next one, taking care to find the balance point of the logs by estimation. Then pickup both logs at the same time in the gullet. go pick up a third if it will fit, or more if it will fit. Same with with brush/branches.

This is all easier to do than it is to tell how to do. I assure you it is not really an issue. AND it gives you the option to pickup small twigs and small rocks as long as you "feather" the clamping pressure, which I can easily do with controlling the grapple lid with my rear remote control valve so as not to crush the small items too hard.

Also I may get some heat from this next statement from the "gear forever guys" but a Hydrostatic transmission makes picking up and precision positioning an easy task because it allows you to creep. Such precise movements are more difficult to achieve with other types of transmissions. Notice I said more difficult, not impossible. With enough skill level anything can be achieved. But a novice operator can do things like this easily with a Hydrostat. Look at the below you tube video if you want to see how slow you can go with a hydro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHcw1uKllw
 
   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #22  
Thanks, that is what I thought. I would still think that there is a market out there for a lightweight root rake style grapple. Hope they have one in the making. I would be in.
BTW my machine has a Hydrostatic transmission. Love it but there is a place for the gear trans to, just depends on what your doing.
Thanks.
 
   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX
  • Thread Starter
#23  
Thanks James. You provided excellent "after hours" knowledge for him.

Like James said, the top lids meet the bottom tines, so you can pick up a pencil and hold it securely if desired.

We MAY make a lighter rake style grapple in the future, but it's not on the high priority list because the rake style does not sell. We may sell 1 rake style to 100 Wicked style.
The L shaped Wicked Grapple is just so much more versatile.
Travis

Small Limb/Log.......No problem. Secure & not gonna move or go anywhere.
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A larger log held securely for easy cutting. You bet!
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Need a platform to stack or carry something on? Check!
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   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #24  
I do think that grapple would match up even better with a B 2650?? My guess is I would run into both power and weight/stability issues with a BX...my minimum has "risen" to B 2650...still may consider a larger L but I think as a first time tractor owner and also considering I am now 68...maybe the B 2650 would be a great starting point. Always alternatives IF you just HAVE to have a bigger one :) As many have mentioned the B 2650/B 3350 are kind of a sweet spot. That is, larger, heavier, sturdier more powerful, etc. than the BX series...while still small enough to move around in the woods and on yards/fields.

While I have 120 acres...truth is most of it is heavily wooded and most of my work is on the trails and the areas contiguous to the trails. Now I can imagine I will adventure deeper into the property with more trails as I get a tractor...but it is an avocation...not a vocation. Lot's of small tree work...need to nurture and protect naturally seeding white and red pines...particularly white pines as the new buds are like cocaine for the deer. I locate, clean a couple of feet around base, make sure there is 1 lead and then fence in a 5' high fence round. I have over 200 fences now and am beginning to move as trees pass 7-10' tall. Easier when I do not have to cut and prepare each new fence.

TMR
 
   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #25  
Thanks James. You provided excellent "after hours" knowledge for him.

Like James said, the top lids meet the bottom tines, so you can pick up a pencil and hold it securely if desired.

We MAY make a lighter rake style grapple in the future, but it's not on the high priority list because the rake style does not sell. We may sell 1 rake style to 100 Wicked style.
The L shaped Wicked Grapple is just so much more versatile.
Travis

Small Limb/Log.......No problem. Secure & not gonna move or go anywhere.
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A larger log held securely for easy cutting. You bet!
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Need a platform to stack or carry something on? Check!
View attachment 454498

Travis,
I see what your saying about picking up one stick like in the first picture. But it looks to me if say you had 4 or 5 of the same size logs/sticks you wanted to load and carry then they would be flopping and bouncing around in the open space and could fall out on a long haul. I was thinking on the root rake style grapple they would be held tight. Correct me if I am looking at this wrong.
Well at least you got me thinking.
 
   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #26  
Travis,
I see what your saying about picking up one stick like in the first picture. But it looks to me if say you had 4 or 5 of the same size logs/sticks you wanted to load and carry then they would be flopping and bouncing around in the open space and could fall out on a long haul. I was thinking on the root rake style grapple they would be held tight. Correct me if I am looking at this wrong.
Well at least you got me thinking.

Most, if not all root grapple meet tip-to-tip just as James described. They do not "scissor" as described.
Seems to me a root rake or root grapple would have very few benefits over an open/flat bottomed grapple for a SCUT or small CUT. Not enough weight/strength/or curl capacity to be used as intended. IMO
 
   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX
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#27  
Seems to me a root rake or root grapple would have very few benefits over an open/flat bottomed grapple for a SCUT or small CUT. Not enough weight/strength/or curl capacity to be used as intended. IMO

Well said Luke. It's one of those things that may appear to work great in someone's mind, but the results don't pan out when the steel hits the dirt.
Compact tractors just do not have enough weight to maintain traction, which is extremely necessary if you want to push a root rake through the soil.


The incredibly strong laminated gusseting of our tines is very "traction friendly" and the round crossbar makes an excellent rolling depth gauge.
Travis

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   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #28  
IF one is to go the pin-on route versus SSQA do you have list of tractors you can do pin-ons?
And any video of swapping a bucket for a pin-on?

I thought you were going to SSQA if I was successful with mine. Wink wink. Elbow elbow.
 
   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #29  
Well said Luke. It's one of those things that may appear to work great in someone's mind, but the results don't pan out when the steel hits the dirt. Compact tractors just do not have enough weight to maintain traction, which is extremely necessary if you want to push a root rake through the soil. The incredibly strong laminated gusseting of our tines is very "traction friendly" and the round crossbar makes an excellent rolling depth gauge. Travis <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=454503"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=454504"/>
Go trade in the tractor for this if you want to do serious root ripping.

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   / Grapple for Subcompact like the JD 1025R & Kubota B/BX #30  
I haven't seen, that I recall, any TBN members posting a photo of a grapple that is more like a brush fork on the bottom jaw.

That design would probably be more useful for me.

Something like this on the bottom. I would want a different top jaw. Was this designed for hay bales?

brushforkgrapple.jpg

Bruce
 
 

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