Grapple Grapple Rake prices

   / Grapple Rake prices #21  
With the incompetence shown at that shop, I'd just get my money back and find a place that has a better chance of following directions. Maybe your tractor store can do it or recommend a competent shop.

Ken
 
   / Grapple Rake prices #22  
I think you need the shop to make things right. I wouldn't have them redo the hoses but they should certainly credit you for the extra cost (probably just the hose size) but also make them exchange whatever fittings don't fit. Markham tends to supply flat type skid steer unless you tell them otherwise. I'm not familiar enough with the Pioneer manufacturers to know what the fittings you have are but the basic CUT hydraulic fitting (same as on your FEL fittings and rear remote) is almost always a Pioneer style male or female half inch size and should be easy to match. Typically the rear remotes are two female fittings so you'd need two Pioneer males for that end. The front end will depend on what Markham supplied but if they did not supply standard Pioneer type then I'd suggest you pay the ten or fifteen bucks extra to have those switched out and then have the matching fittings on your remote hose. You don't want multiple styles of fittings if you can help it.

No worries about sealing hoses when you are changing fittings. You'll lose a little fluid but it doesn't matter as it will just refill from the reservoir when you activate the circuit. You might check your reservoir once you have everything up and running and maybe you will need to add a pint or two of HST fluid but it is no biggie.

Just grab a roll of teflon tape for under a buck at Home Depot or someplace like that to use when you reattach the Pioneer fittings to the grapple or remote hose. It only takes a couple of wraps and the only thing you want to make sure of is that you don't get the tape too close to the tip. Use a couple of wrenches to make the fittings tight. Pioneer type fittings can be tightened down hard but you don't need anything more than arm power and a couple of wrenches.

Don't feel bad about these hassles. Nearly everyone who does hydraulics themselves for the first time has exactly the same questions and trepidation about moving forward. I certainly did. It all disappears when you see that grapple arm move for the first time.:)
 
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#23  
The rear remote hookups they supplied are Pioneer, I brought an example in to show them and they nailed it on those. I had some extras from a log splitter and post driver laying around.

I should have removed the Parker style they supplied and switched over to Pioneer. I'm sure that would have been tons cheaper.
 
   / Grapple Rake prices #24  
The rear remote hookups they supplied are Pioneer, I brought an example in to show them and they nailed it on those. I had some extras from a log splitter and post driver laying around.

I should have removed the Parker style they supplied and switched over to Pioneer. I'm sure that would have been tons cheaper.

The Pioneer quick connects are not terribly expensive as I recall. Maybe 8-10 bucks each at retail, less if you buy via internet.
 
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Went back to the shop yesterday. They actually made good on supplying the wrong Parker fittings for me and I made mention that 1/4" was the size hose I needed. No problem they fixed me right and I even exchanged the wrong Parker fittings for Pioneer quick connects. My faith in them was restored.

Got a moment tonight to hook up and wouldn't you know it...the fittings that are swivel 90 degree elbows leak. Doesn't look like it is the Pioneer fittings that leak out back. Moving the valve actually made hydro oil splatter my truck door 4 feet away. Tks

I hate to go back but dont have a choice.
 
   / Grapple Rake prices #26  
Went back to the shop yesterday. They actually made good on supplying the wrong Parker fittings for me and I made mention that 1/4" was the size hose I needed. No problem they fixed me right and I even exchanged the wrong Parker fittings for Pioneer quick connects. My faith in them was restored.

Got a moment tonight to hook up and wouldn't you know it...the fittings that are swivel 90 degree elbows leak. Doesn't look like it is the Pioneer fittings that leak out back. Moving the valve actually made hydro oil splatter my truck door 4 feet away. Tks

I hate to go back but dont have a choice.

I've never used swivel fittings. They make 90 degree fittings that are solid which might be a better solution if the shop has them. Don't try to tighten things yourself if you are unfamiliar with JIC fittings. It is easy to overtighten and destroy them. Hand (wrist) tension is all you need and if you put muscle into it you can crack the seal seat. I wonder if that is what the shop did.
 
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Ok, got off work early yesterday due to the storm and went to the barn to look at the fittings since I still had some light out.
Looked at the fittings at the back of the tractor and found that the fitting from the crimped 90 elbow going into the female/male threaded coupling was never tightened(that's why I thought it was a swivel fitting b/c the 90 elbow was "swiveling". Tightened it up and whalla...now have grapple action. Hope to try it out this weekend. Tks for the support so far fellas.

Tom
 
   / Grapple Rake prices #28  
Pictures. We like pictures.:)
 

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Will do on the pics.

Would like to know how people that ran hydraulic lines from the back mounted a bracket at the front on the loader to connect there lines. I'm going to put some plate across two tabs on mine that are tapped into the FEL cross piece that holds the solid lines. On the plate I'll weld some angle with holes for lines to feed thru.

Pics will come.
 
   / Grapple Rake prices #30  
If you will be using rear remotes to run the grapple then you'll need two hoses of 3/8 or even as little as 1/4 with appropriate adapters to fit your rear remote outlets and long enough to go under the tractor, up the FEL post, along the FEL arm and terminate at the bracket you are building on the FEL torque tube (cross piece). Obviously you'll also need the hoses from the grapple arm cylinder to come back to the FEL mounted bracket. Again, 1/4 inch lines are fine though some use 3/8.

To measure the length of hose needed from the rear remotes to the FEL bracket I suggest using an old hose and literally "install" it so you can judge how much extra to leave for bends (especially at the bottom of the FEL post where the hoses will need to turn 90 degrees from under the operator station. Don't make the bends to sharp but route it and secure it so that it won't be snagged by brush. I used zip ties to hold the hoses tight to the underside of the operator station. I should have mentioned that it is nice to get 90 degree fitting adapters installed at the back so the hoses fit flush against the back of the tractor and that you don't need to have a big loop of hose sticking out the back before it travels over the left rear axle and under the operator station.

I found the process of measuring and figuring out how to secure hoses to be much easier once I had "installed" a garden hose in exactly the route I intended to use.

Be careful to determine exactly the right type of fittings. The tractor rear remotes will almost certainly be 1/2 inch Pioneer style female so you'll need male fittings for both rear connections. If you are using 1/4 inch hose you'll need the appropriate adapters to go up to the 1/2 inch fittings. At the grapple end you'll need to determine whether you have SAE or JIC connections to the hydraulic cylinder and get the hoses made up appropriately. You have your choice of what fittings you want to use for the connections at the FEL bracket but I'd suggest sticking with Pioneer quick connect style in either 1/4 or 3/8.

You can get all this stuff from internet discount suppliers and that is definitely the cheapest way to go (you'll save at least half). However, and this is a big however, it is very easy to get confused with what types of fittings etc if you haven't done it before. It might be a good investment to work with a local shop that can make sure everything is compatable. Again, the main thing they need to know are the lengths and the exact type of fittings on the hydraulic cylinder. I'm pretty sure you have 1/2 inch female Pioneer quick connects on your rear remote as that is industry standard.

There are lots of guys that have done this so just ask questions if you are unclear.
 
 

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