Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land

   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #11  
One other thing I forgot- if you don't have a residential power line near your property, you may want to check on the cost of power. I know of at least one case where the guy ended up buying a generator because power was going to cost so much - and yes it was in piedmont NC. In his case it was going to be way on the north side of 10k.

Barry
 
   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #12  
I did what all the rest did, with lots of time spent MBWA (Management By Walking Around), and a lot of plans to review, and a site map based on an aerial photo from the County Office. Then I marked up the site plan/aerial map and drew on where I figured the house and garage would work best, best on slope, sun, drainage, road access (I didn't want to be TOO far from the road due to snow). The attached was my marked-up aerial photo that I marked up. The garage is now there (right where I started out), and the house will be going in nect summer or the one after. I wish you all the best, and keep us informed of your progress!
 

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   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #13  
weesa20 said:
I am looking at 32 acres in the Piedmont of NC that is pretty heavy, old forest. I am considering building a 4 bedroom home on the property but don't really know where to begin now that I have found the land. The first thing, before purchase will be to make sure it will perc. (Has old perc for 4 bedrooms)

And this is critical. No perc no house. Old perc is good to have but the permits run out after a year or two.

Next I guess would be permits for road buidling and colverts for the 3 streams that would cross the presumed drivgeway. (there is a rough trail into the area, accessible by truck/SUV)

You may or may not need permits for this but of course ask the county and/or city that has jurisdiction. I'm in the county and not in the city limits. BUT, are land is the town planning district which means that I get no services from the town nor pay taxes but they have a some control on what I do with my land. This has not been a problem and I'm sure at some point I will be taken over by the town.

Try to make friends with the county as much as possible. I have found them to very helpful if one treats them nice. I have had to deal with a nimrod but he is gone. They rest of the inspectors and county employees where helpful. They should be able to tell you what you need to do. Take a half day and go down and start talking to people starting in the health department. They should have the paperwork to tell you what permits as well as costs.

Next I guess I need to decide the location of the planned buildings (house & garage) and then get permits and see about clearing. I think there is some timber value and I may try to find a logger to work the area.

Your perc application will require you to show where houses, driveways, roads, wells, and septic will be located. It does not have to be exact.

I just read that the value in timber is falling due to less demand from house building. Now may or may not be the time to timber. If you want to timber the land, get online to the state Extension service and read up on timber and the landowner. There are some tax advantages to logging in your first year of ownership.

Get a Timber Agent/Forester to work for you to sell the trees. Don't do it yourself unless you are in the business. The Forester is like a real estate broker and works to get you the best dollar for the trees. They will inventory the trees and market them for you. The Forester will be able to explain the taxes to you. Timber taxes are as clear as mud. Bottom line is hire them to do the work since they know the market value. Many people loose large sums of money selling timber since they don't know the value of the trees.

In NC if you land is farm or timber land, you can get a lower tax bill if you do certain things. Unfortunately for you, one has to live on the land or own it for more than four years before you can get the lower valuation.

Then the clean-up after timber removal and begin building?

I think I have simplified it quite a bit, anyone who has gone through this process, please feel free to chime in the advice.

Also, any advice on equipment for clearing and cleanup would be great, too. I think I will be adding something bigger (not sure what yet- backhoe, dozer, tractor) to my GC2300.

Regarding clean up. I have done alot myself which I why a got the tractor. I "bulldozed" timber slash into piles some of which I burned and other are rotting. Our house site was cleared by our septic installer. He took the timber that had value and saved me money. The waste wood went onto a pile of wood that is about two stories tall. I will either burn it or hopefully have it chipped into mulch.

You could work out a contract with the loggers to clean up. But my view is that they are paid to cut trees not clean up. That is where they make money not cleaning up.

Removing stumps is execavator work. I have done it and still do with my little backhoe but it takes time. Depending on how much money you have to spend to clean up the land you pay someone, rent the equipment, pay the equipment or let it rot. :D

Later,
Dan
 
   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land
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#14  
Well, the first piece of property was unacceptable to the CFO (spouse) because it was too close to interstate 85. So the process to find the perfect land starts over. Land is very expensive around here, I hope the prices fall with the housing market since I only plan to buy.

Thanks for all the feedback

W
 
   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #15  
weesa20,

If you are not using a broker and need access to the MLS read on. :D

My wife is a broker and has a website that allows you to search the MLS.

http://www.chathamland.net/

Her MLS covers the Triangle area of NC but I think it also covers Burlington/Graham. Not sure how far west it covers. Its free. Well its free to you. :) The MLS linkage costs her plenty! :eek:

Later,
Dan
 
   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #17  
I was born in the piedmont and have some property in that area, If your doesn't perk it must not be in that area!
 
   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #18  
dmccarty said:
And this is critical. No perc no house. Old perc is good to have but the permits run out after a year or two.



You may or may not need permits for this but of course ask the county and/or city that has jurisdiction. I'm in the county and not in the city limits. BUT, are land is the town planning district which means that I get no services from the town nor pay taxes but they have a some control on what I do with my land. This has not been a problem and I'm sure at some point I will be taken over by the town.

Try to make friends with the county as much as possible. I have found them to very helpful if one treats them nice. I have had to deal with a nimrod but he is gone. They rest of the inspectors and county employees where helpful. They should be able to tell you what you need to do. Take a half day and go down and start talking to people starting in the health department. They should have the paperwork to tell you what permits as well as costs.



Your perc application will require you to show where houses, driveways, roads, wells, and septic will be located. It does not have to be exact.

I just read that the value in timber is falling due to less demand from house building. Now may or may not be the time to timber. If you want to timber the land, get online to the state Extension service and read up on timber and the landowner. There are some tax advantages to logging in your first year of ownership.

Get a Timber Agent/Forester to work for you to sell the trees. Don't do it yourself unless you are in the business. The Forester is like a real estate broker and works to get you the best dollar for the trees. They will inventory the trees and market them for you. The Forester will be able to explain the taxes to you. Timber taxes are as clear as mud. Bottom line is hire them to do the work since they know the market value. Many people loose large sums of money selling timber since they don't know the value of the trees.

In NC if you land is farm or timber land, you can get a lower tax bill if you do certain things. Unfortunately for you, one has to live on the land or own it for more than four years before you can get the lower valuation.



Regarding clean up. I have done alot myself which I why a got the tractor. I "bulldozed" timber slash into piles some of which I burned and other are rotting. Our house site was cleared by our septic installer. He took the timber that had value and saved me money. The waste wood went onto a pile of wood that is about two stories tall. I will either burn it or hopefully have it chipped into mulch.

You could work out a contract with the loggers to clean up. But my view is that they are paid to cut trees not clean up. That is where they make money not cleaning up.

Removing stumps is execavator work. I have done it and still do with my little backhoe but it takes time. Depending on how much money you have to spend to clean up the land you pay someone, rent the equipment, pay the equipment or let it rot. :D

Later,
Dan
"Removing stumps is execavator work."

Dan, could not have said it better myself, so I wont!
Same goes for breaking loose ledge and large boulders, removing topsoil, etc. Dozer is good also.

We need to start a support group!

Like George Bush said "This is hard work!"
Duh!
 
   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #19  
Sounds like the perk thing and permits are your first concern, so I'll pass on any more comments on them.

One thing I have found out is that working around and trying to save a certain tree can be a big mistake. Trees are great, but if there is a really nice one in a bad location, get rid of it. In just a month, you won't even remember it. If you leave it, you'll come to hate that tree for as long as it's there. Especialy if you site your house in such a way as to try and save that tree, or trees.

Find the BEST place for your house and get rid of all the trees that are in the way. Even if they are blocking a view, get rid of them and move on.

I'm guilty of this and don't even know I'm doing it sometims. The it clicks in my brain. "If that tree wasn't there, I could move this building over there and it would really fit in nicely."

Of all my very old, giant trees that I've taken out, I don't miss a single one.

Good luck,
Eddie
 
   / Guidance: Building a new house on ROUGH land #20  
I will have to chime in on the perc test caution part.

I had perc test done 1 month before we built. 2 days after the footing was poured, the county agent and an auditor from the state of MS come out to "redo" my perc test as the auditor put it. Seems some agents in other counties had been sloughing off on perc tests and permitting for septic and fill lines in places where treatment systems were needed. Mine passed the "redo" also, so no problem.

Auditor told me good thing, he'd hate to see money I had already spent wasted. I managed to be quiet and just let him leave. Would've been tough if it'd failed. If you're not in an obvious spot that's wet or solid rock you shouldn't have any trouble. I wasn't aware of this beforehand and was worried when I found out what they were after, even though I'm on sandy clay and up on a hill. My dog growled and spooked the auditor as they were leaving, so I did kind of get the last chuckle in.
 

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