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[RoyJackson]

We (as responsible gun owners) need to refine the terms by which we describe our tools. Because, in the end, a firearm is nothing more than a tool.

I always correct people when they say the have an Assault Rifle...because it's actually a semi-automatic rifle with e detachable magazine...that's all an AR-15 or AK-47 is (very few selective fire AK rifles in the US...I own two semi-auto AK's).
I can't say I call the rifles I have "tools", nor most of my handguns. The Glock is a tool, no doubt. The shotgun (Mossy 500) is a tool (strictly a defense firearm) to me. The rest of the bunch are for fun, that's it (although, in a civil strife situation, the AR-15 would become a tool quite rapidly).

The point I was making...maybe you're not into the semi-auto rifles...but would you support a politician that said he wanted to ban them...but he'd leave the hunting rifles alone? There are a number of politicians who have said that's what they want to do... Or one who wants to limit magazine capacity in any way?
I won't...I'd fight them tooth and nail...because I know they wouldn't stop...

 

[5030]

assuming you hit, I can't imagine needing more than one of those large superrounds..unless the dangerous game you ( we) are unting has a red cape or something.. hten, maybee a followup 2nd shot

I do know the .338 is alot easier to find at shows.

but now I hear that hornaday is putting out 416 rigby... quite cheaply too.. something like 80$ a box....

Chris...

Hornady is notorious for soft brass case bases in magnum calibers, especially ..338 and I suspect .416 Rigby too. I don't know about the empty brass but it's well documented in .338 factory loads.

They are fine for the first time out, but the primer pockets start to drop primers sometimes on the first reload and at the price of the magnum rounds, one buys factory loaded ammo with the idea of recycling the brass...

80 bucks is a bargain in 416 in as much as .338 Lapua/Lapua is 120/20 everyday. There is always the Serbian ammunition PPU. I had some issues with PPU and actually got my money back on 60 rounds. I hear PPU brass reloads quite well but I still prefer Lapua which offers 416 Rigby as well.

Another issue with the large cartridges is neck cracking even if neck sized only, so case annealing comes into play on the big boys too. Lots of pressure in the neck.

.338 is considered the low end for Cape. 475 H&H is more the round of choice....

 

[Soundguy]

At the last 3 shows I went to.. I probably could have bought 20 boxes of 338 and not bad prices either. one guy have boxes at something like 60$ I don't have a 338 so wasn't interested. He DID have some 44AMP in original AMP packaging.. and I was quite interested in that hand cannon food.. relieved him of all he had.. as well as all his 45winmag. ( i'm a handcannon fan apparrently ).

416 rigby is elusive. every now and then I see it.. but not often. I think I'm down to something like 7 full boxes, mostly federal, and probably 8-10 rnds of 'assorted' loose, plus some empties.

Given the 'scalping' high prices I've seen online when 416rigby does com eup.. I'd almost be glad to pay 80$/20 for it, with the idea that it may be a fire once type deal.

as for cape buffalo.. I kinda though 338 would be fine for it. I remember seeing some utube video of hunters with 416 and 338 hunting cape.

I havn't looked at the big game chart.. but I think 416 should be sufficient for cape.

 

[5030]

I always correct people when they say the have an Assault Rifle...because it's actually a semi-automatic rifle with e detachable magazine...that's all an AR-15 or AK-47 is (very few selective fire AK rifles in the US...I own two semi-auto AK's).
I can't say I call the rifles I have "tools", nor most of my handguns. The Glock is a tool, no doubt. The shotgun (Mossy 500) is a tool (strictly a defense firearm) to me. The rest of the bunch are for fun, that's it (although, in a civil strife situation, the AR-15 would become a tool quite rapidly).

The point I was making...maybe you're not into the semi-auto rifles...but would you support a politician that said he wanted to ban them...but he'd leave the hunting rifles alone? There are a number of politicians who have said that's what they want to do... Or one who wants to limit magazine capacity in any way?
I won't...I'd fight them tooth and nail...because I know they wouldn't stop...

Of course not. That would be counter-productive to gun ownership. Look what there is now, Obama and Erik Holder and Holder is nothing more than a thinly disguised insurgent himself.... However, until the public perception changes, responsible gun owners will be viewed as less than responsible. Thats the way it is.

You miss my point and that is, simply, that terminology needs to be changed, especially the termminology the public, at large hears and associates with.

I don't want to hear that sniper crap and I purposely don't associate with or frequent any publically viewed forums that condone those terms...

Other than this thread because we are discussing it.

There are some really good and informative forums out there that cater to responsible gun owners that those terms aren't used on nor are they condone on (those sites).

 

[RoyJackson]

Of course not. That would be counter-productive to gun ownership. Look what there is now, Obama and Erik Holder and Holder is nothing more than a thinly disguised insurgent himself.... However, until the public perception changes, responsible gun owners will be viewed as less than responsible. Thats the way it is.

You miss my point and that is, simply, that terminology needs to be changed, especially the termminology the public, at large hears and associates with.

I don't want to hear that sniper crap and I purposely don't associate with or frequent any publically viewed forums that condone those terms...

Other than this thread because we are discussing it.

There are some really good and informative forums out there that cater to responsible gun owners that those terms aren't used on nor are they condone on (those sites).

I don't think I missed your point...just wanted to clarify some things.
There were a number of gunowners who supported the so-called "Assault Rifle Ban" in 1994...that hurt gunowners in general. I still know a few who wouldn't lift a finger to stop another such ban.

I belong to a couple of gun forums...The High Road is probably the best, all round forum. The local forum (PAFOA.org) is the most politically active...but I doubt you'd care for that one.

 

[Soundguy]

looking around.. looks like this is what some guides are reccomending:

for buffalo .375 H&H, .416 Remington and Rigby, and .450 Dakota

For hunting the largest game, elephant, rhino and the various bovines, experts usually recommend calibers starting at the 9.3x64 and .375 H&H Magnum in power and bullet diameter and go up from there. More highly regarded are the big bore calibers around .40 caliber, of which the .404 Jeffery and .416 Rigby are probably the best known. Most powerful of all are the famous "elephant" cartridges starting at .45 caliber like the .450 Nitro Express and including such favorites as the .458 Winchester Magnum, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Magnum, .470 Nitro Express, and .500 Nitro Express.

 

[JB4310]

Of course not. That would be counter-productive to gun ownership. Look what there is now, Obama and Erik Holder and Holder is nothing more than a thinly disguised insurgent himself.... However, until the public perception changes, responsible gun owners will be viewed as less than responsible. Thats the way it is.

You miss my point and that is, simply, that terminology needs to be changed, especially the termminology the public, at large hears and associates with.

I don't want to hear that sniper crap and I purposely don't associate with or frequent any publically viewed forums that condone those terms...

Other than this thread because we are discussing it.

There are some really good and informative forums out there that cater to responsible gun owners that those terms aren't used on nor are they condone on (those sites).

I know what your trying to say, but basically that's just catering/ caving in to political correctness.
Like the paint ball industry referring to their guns as "Markers"

I don't own a 1500 meter gun, but if I did I definitely wouldn't refer to it as "my sniper rifle" for fear of raising red flags with some big brother agencies, so in that category I agree with you.

But I have no problem with the term Assault weapon, tactical, or referring to firearms as weapons period. That is a major part of their design and purpose and can be justified for defensive applications.

I don't think those terms hurt Gun owner's reputations, I know that was the thinking a few years ago. Been in a gun store lately, they are packed with people mostly looking for "weapons" whole families there at a time. much different than just a few years ago.

JB

 

[nwbearcat]

I don't care for the term 'sniper' or 'tactical' or 'weapon' or especially 'assault type'. The all incite the public into looking at firearms in general in a less that positive light and it's the public in general that will curtail our rights as responsible gun owners, which I am. I always try to refrain form using these terms.

You brought up the Sharpshooter/sniper discussion with the statement about those folks not using Semi-Autos...I just provided the reference to state that they do...

To some extent I agree...no sense running around like urban commandos, but also a bubba type with a Single action Ruger Blackhawk can put the gun owning public in just as bad of a light as the dude in 5.11 pants and an AR...bad actors are bad actors

 

[shortthrow50]

I lookat any .50 caliber rifle, especially a Barrett 50 nothing more than a placebo for a short sexual organ on the part of the owner.

Like the hunter that bought the 110 Savage BA to go hunting with and quickly found out that toting a 22 base weight firearm with a 1.5 pound long range scope attached became torture real quick at 10,000 feet. It's for sale and no, it's not me......

They have a place but it's not in the real world of long range hunting. It's at the range, on the bench or in controlled conditions, not in the field. They don't work. I've never seen any hunter using one for game....

It appears that everyone wants a 'sniper' style firearm, but most are no good for hunting. Too heavy or too bulky and even the ammo is heavy.

My long range firearm of choice would be the .338 or a WSM short action bolt gun. Even the .338 is borderline heavy with a long range optic at 13 pounds. That 5 extra pounds is quite a few granola bars, extra hydration or a couple pair of dry socks.....

Ideally, I want a bolt action single shot around 8 pounds max with scope.

...and yes, I carry a pistol when I hunt, usually.

this is most likely my last post in this thread becuase i dont like to get into these arguments but i must say, you were called out on your misinformation and now your gonna take a weak stab at .50 owners and then say other things that would make other gun owners cringe. Some .50 owners own them becuase they have the money to buy them to get the thrill of watching targets explode or disentegrate just for the fun of it. You have your own view about your bolt gun and what citizens should own as only as a "tool". Your not a true gun guy. A true gun guy respects the 2nd amendment and the right to own and doesnt narrow it down to what his/her needs are. Good day to you sir.

 

[TripleR]

I look at any .50 caliber rifle, especially a Barrett 50 nothing more than a placebo for a short sexual organ on the part of the owner.

Denigrating other firearms owners whatever their choice does a disservice to us all. The whole possession/use of a firearm, any firearm as a substitute for sexual adequacy or male sex organ is absurd no matter who uses it though it is most often used by anti-gunners, I am surprised and saddened to see it used here.