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[creekbend]

Reviewing this thread reminds me of a quote. "No I'm not a good shot, but I shoot often". Teddy Roosevelt

 

[JB4310]

I have mostly Colt components, but I do have a BM lower and a lesser known upper, they all interchange. I think the front pin is slightly different, but easily overcome with a modified adaptor bolt.
A little pricey for that upper though.

I know about Stoner/ ArmaLite. They designed and sold the patent to Colt.
So I'm not sure whose clone we should call it, just like with a 1911, do you call it a Colt or a Browning clone.

Now that I bring up Brownings design, I have a 1911 clone chambered in 9 MM, made in Poland during the German occupation of WW2.
Apparently browning retained the right to market his design in other countries and Poland bought it.

Called a VIS which is "power" in Latin, also referred to as a Radom for the city where it was made. This Gun was picked up on a french beech, D-day +2 by an old timer who has since died, he carried it thru the duration of his march thru Europe, including the infamous Arden forest and the battle of the bulge. Not worth a ton of money but a remarkable storey, "don" gave it to me before he died 3-4 years ago.

Pictured here next to a colt.

Note the decocking lever, I'm not sure if that was incorporated by the Poles or the Germans when they took over production. They were way ahead in that regard, may of prevented that hole in your baseboard

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JB

Here is the Vis, it has the Waffenamt stamps.

Went to the gun store today to look at some black guns, they only had 1 piston driven system, in an AR clone, A Ruger.

They had several regular AR clones from $600. to $1,600. but no Colts on the wall, they did have a few ArmaLites though. I asked one of the workers and he went in the back room and brought out a Colt, M4 version Hbar with a match barrel for 1,200. Had the short barrel but the full buttstock. Pretty nice gun for the money. The guy said Colts come in in small numbers and rarely, they did have 6 in the back, I got the impression you had to ask for the Colt.

This is a pretty large Gun store, very well stocked and excellent prices. about 20 guys working at a time when it's busy, which is any time they are open.
They only had 3 Colt .45's. odd versions, I don't know why Colt doesn't do better on their production.

JB

 

[TripleR]

This seems like a fairly well balanced discussion of pros and cons of both systems. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDtXe9jXBuc&feature=fvwrel]Things to know before you buy a gas piston AR15 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[5030]

Colt arms has probably 90% of the DOD contracts for weaponry.

Bolt action rifles are more accurate simply because you lock in the round when you close the bolt. However, they are more sensitive to SAMMI specs and headspacing.

You'll never see a military sharpshooter (long range) shoot anything but bolt action simply because a semi auto or select fire is inaccurate at long range and typically has a short tube. The longer the muzzle the more stable the projectile is, the higher the muzzle velocity (depending on charge of course) and the more manageable the firearm is at longer distance. Of course a long range firearm benefits from good optics like Schmidt & Bender, Leupold VX4 Tactical, a Huskemaw or other long range optics.

Barrett 50's are all bolt action. Savage (centerfire) is all bolt action (I have 2, both extreme long range rifles).
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@5030--I'm not sure all your statements are 100% accurate.

Barrett offers a 50 Semi-Auto, the M107 Barrett

Sniper Rifles of the World some reading here regarding sniper arms deployed (that we know about) I'm making the assumption this is somewhat accurate
That is a forum I never visit. I don't like the name....

M1's outfitted with scopes made a limited splash in WW2 and were probably the leading deployment for sniper rifles in Korea. I believe beginning in Vietnam, US sniper teams were pairs, one carrying a M14, and one the M40 bolt gun. From what I've read/heard else where, the SCAR is now being deployed in that role to replace the M14.

I've sat behind some very accurate bolt guns and very accurate semi-autos, and some out of each category that were far from acceptable, so to say that 1 is unconditionally less accurate than the other is a false statement. I believe that semi-auto rifles of old may have suffered that fate, the Rem 740 series possibly setting a bad tone for rifles to follow, but to make the blanket statement that a semi-auto won't shoot with a bolt gun is probably not a fair statement.

For the average owner, it does apply. You'll find that 99% of long range civillian shooters shoot bolt action long rifles exclusively

You are right that most long range rifles benefit from a longer barrel, and full auto doesn't help long range shooting, but most of those have a 3 pos safety...safe, semi, or burst/full.

If you study how many semi auto rifles work, like a Browing BAR, or an AR that use many lugs, or even the M1 Garand that uses 2 lugs... the bolt does move forward into a series of locking lugs and rotate to lock into the back of the barrel...hmmm sounds alot like what happens when you rotate the bolt on that Savage doesn't it...Just that I don't have to move to make it happen

In a semi auto action, the tolerances are purposely made less tight to effectuate smooth cycling. A bolt gun can be tighter and the projectile can be set closer to the lands because the mechanics of cycling are slower and more deliberate.

Oh...btw...all guns are sensitive to SAMMI Specs...I've seen boxes of parts of all sorts of guns due to issues there, and lack of attention to detail can make a good gun miss a barn.

Absolutely, but a semi-auto is looser by design. It has to be.

Last...your 338 is lethal WAYYYY past where you're shooting...
Brit Sniper Makes Double-Kill at 1.54 miles with .338 Lapua Mag Daily Bulletin
--just found a link off the above news article...looks like the brit's are deploying a semi-auto sharp shooter rifle...L129A1 Sharpshooter rifle - British Army Website

All true and accurate. The .338 Lapua/Lapua Scenar is one helluva long range round. However, for one person shooting, you have to put on a range cap. 1500 is pushing the limit especially when factoring in wind, barometric pressure , ambient temperature and mirage. For true long distance kills, a second person (spotter) is almost mandatory. Even the BORS system is only reliable to 1500 yards in a single person (marksman no spotter) operation.

Far as the Barrett semi-auto. It still don't measure up to the single shot. A semi-auto, by it nature of mechanism has to employ a lesser tolerance in the mechanism that a true single shot, even if magazine fed (like my 111/.338 bottom feeder.

I don't care for the term 'sniper' or 'tactical' or 'weapon' or especially 'assault type'. The all incite the public into looking at firearms in general in a less that positive light and it's the public in general that will curtail our rights as responsible gun owners, which I am. I always try to refrain form using these terms.

A typical bullet drop for a 260 grain Lapua/Scenar in Lapua brass pushing 90 grains of H1000 is flat to 300 yards and around 14 inches at 1000 yards. Muzzle velocity is a tad over 2900 fps. It's possible to push the velocity past 3000 fps but the bullet tends to fragment, it's spinning too fast.

In other words, you won't hear it coming........ Neither does the Elk.

 

[5030]

I lookat any .50 caliber rifle, especially a Barrett 50 nothing more than a placebo for a short sexual organ on the part of the owner.

Like the hunter that bought the 110 Savage BA to go hunting with and quickly found out that toting a 22 base weight firearm with a 1.5 pound long range scope attached became torture real quick at 10,000 feet. It's for sale and no, it's not me......

They have a place but it's not in the real world of long range hunting. It's at the range, on the bench or in controlled conditions, not in the field. They don't work. I've never seen any hunter using one for game....

It appears that everyone wants a 'sniper' style firearm, but most are no good for hunting. Too heavy or too bulky and even the ammo is heavy.

My long range firearm of choice would be the .338 or a WSM short action bolt gun. Even the .338 is borderline heavy with a long range optic at 13 pounds. That 5 extra pounds is quite a few granola bars, extra hydration or a couple pair of dry socks.....

Ideally, I want a bolt action single shot around 8 pounds max with scope.

...and yes, I carry a pistol when I hunt, usually.

 

[Soundguy]

My long range firearm of choice would be the .338 or a WSM short action bolt gun. Even the .338 is borderline heavy with a long range optic at 13 pounds. That 5 extra pounds is quite a few granola bars, extra hydration or a couple pair of dry socks.....

Ideally, I want a bolt action single shot around 8 pounds max with scope.

...and yes, I carry a pistol when I hunt, usually.

I hear ya.. that .416rigby I have. just a box of 20 rounds is pretty heavy....

 

[5030]

Chris...

a .338 Lapua is actually a wildcatted 416 Rigby necked down. The case below the neck is all 416. Lapua pioneered the round and established it as a European Military round originally.

When I hunt, I normally carry 3 rounds or less. Only one is really needed at any time...

The range is boxes. In the field, a couple. Thats it.

 

[RoyJackson]

I lookat any .50 caliber rifle, especially a Barrett 50 nothing more than a placebo for a short sexual organ on the part of the owner.

Like the hunter that bought the 110 Savage BA to go hunting with and quickly found out that toting a 22 base weight firearm with a 1.5 pound long range scope attached became torture real quick at 10,000 feet. It's for sale and no, it's not me......

They have a place but it's not in the real world of long range hunting. It's at the range, on the bench or in controlled conditions, not in the field. They don't work. I've never seen any hunter using one for game....

It appears that everyone wants a 'sniper' style firearm, but most are no good for hunting. Too heavy or too bulky and even the ammo is heavy.

My long range firearm of choice would be the .338 or a WSM short action bolt gun. Even the .338 is borderline heavy with a long range optic at 13 pounds. That 5 extra pounds is quite a few granola bars, extra hydration or a couple pair of dry socks.....

Ideally, I want a bolt action single shot around 8 pounds max with scope.

...and yes, I carry a pistol when I hunt, usually.

See...you focus on hunting...great sport, no doubt.
However, you're the type the anti-rights people love...if it isn't a "sporting rifle", it should be banned.
I love firearms...almost all of 'em, even though I don't hunt (never cared for game meat).
And, with the anti-rights people (and I toss Romney in to that group), would never stop with our "assault rifles" (even though none of the AR-15's are assault rifles).
Even if you have no use for a .50 cal "sniper rifle" or an AR-15 platform rifle, we gun owners need to stick together 100%. There's a good chance the current adminstration will remain in office for another 4 years. They could do a lot of damage to we 2nd Amendment supporters. If Obama stays in, it's a decent chance he'll have at least one Supreme Court justice vacancy...and I promise you, they will not be a friend to gun owners of any sort.

 

[Soundguy]

assuming you hit, I can't imagine needing more than one of those large superrounds..unless the dangerous game you ( we) are unting has a red cape or something.. hten, maybee a followup 2nd shot

I do know the .338 is alot easier to find at shows.

but now I hear that hornaday is putting out 416 rigby... quite cheaply too.. something like 80$ a box....

 

[5030]

Not true Roy...

I own hand guns, have a whole raft of pistols in every flavor. My favorite is the 1911 Kimber. I have derringers, I even own a couple AK's, one a rare .223-5.56 NATO.

I consider myself a responsible gum owner but I like sporting firearms. Guns are tools, nothing more. Like a hammer or a socket wrench.

I have a CCW and I carry. Unlike like you, not 24/7 but when necessary.... I don't feel the want or need to carry all the time.

That's where the differentiation begins. Is it a tool or an assualt weapon. Is it a sporting firearm or a sniper rifle? Is it a tool to kill humans with or is it a tool for harvesting game with? The public in general, only knows what they are are told by the media and hear on the news and most citizens that aren't familiar with firearms, view firearms in the terms the media uses.... assualt weapon, taictal weapon, sniper rifle and so on. I enjoy shooting, both in the woods an at the range in competition.

Put yourself in John Q. Public's place. What are the terms used everyday in the paper and on the radio to sensationalize the news.... Think about it...

It's like an AK 47. It's a brilliantly designed, rock solid, ultra reliable and moderately accurate (for what it is) firearm, however, an AK is immediate sight recognition by the public, because it's been sensationalized in every paper at every chance thay have. Why? Because the public soaks it up and it sells papers...

It's like motorcycling. It's not what you ride, it's that you ride. Same thing applies here.

We (as responsible gun owners) need to refine the terms by which we describe our tools. Because, in the end, a firearm is nothing more than a tool.