If no one ever hears 'boy that sure was stupid'.. then what's to keep them from doing something like that again.
If you re-read my message.. I don't think you'l find the phrase incompetent boob in there anywhere.
You can choose to take offense if you want or not. All I can say is if you keep on the same course.. you may soon be dead.
At this point.. I've said my piece... .. so .. go do whatever you want to yourself and your tractor.. NMP .. If ya got family.. do them a favor and make sure your LI is paid up.
As for 'habitualy abusing'.. well.. you said 'on several occasions"... several occasions sounds habitual to me.. it does denote plural. Had you said.. 'on a single occasion.. then.. the reply may have been different on my part.
As for the heavy load in the bucket and backing up a hill.. well.. that's just hard knocks 101 that most loader owners figure out real fast.. sometimes by taking the express trip down the hill when they hit a bump and back wheels come up on a 2wd machine.. ( that's where the physics and geometry come in.. tractor front axle becomes the fulcrum .. you can follow the rest. )
As for what made the side come up.. I 'WAG'ed it.. that's about all we can do without any documentation, and pics from you.. sorry I couldn't 'mcguyver ' you a 'CSI' quality answer to your perplexing problem... I'll try to do better next time..
I wasn't taking a potshot at you.. I didn't slip in, hit and run.. I stayed here to take your rebuttal... and I said exactly what I meant to say.. no beating around the bush.. and I stated why i said what I did.. your ultimate safety. If you think that makes me a wiseass.. well.. whatever.. your perogative. i think you should focus less energy into 'hating' on me.. and more
energy into working your tractor safely.. there are many discussions on the safety ( or lack thereof ) for using smaller tractors for logging.
Also.. in reference to your first post. You mentione dthat you didn't think the engine .. little engine, that is, had enough torque to flip. Well.. tractors have been flipping around their axle since they've been built. Ask how many old low hp gasser tractors have been flipped...I'm sure you could get dozens of stories just from the members here.
As for why only lifting in reverse.?? I gave my guesses.. re.. the implement in compression betwixt the tractor and the immovable object, and a hear of 'jackknifing' or a 'cant' happened, and thus something cocked up from torsion.. perhaps the tree root deflected or the metal of the implement deflected a bit. Hard to offer more than a WAG.. as I said before..
Flaw in CUT's? or 1920's.. doubtfull... they just aren't as usefull or safe, IMHO, for logging, compaired to a larger tractor. Not a flaw.. just an issue of pplication. I had a 1920.. it was a great tractor. Wish i still had it... It was one of the strongest tractors in that frame size that I've ever driven.
As for anticipating a problem.. well.. I wasn't there and can't claim to know what you saw, or what you were doing. however.. some situations are just inherantly dangerous no matter what you are doing. For instance.. anything on a hill... I don't have to be driving or working on a hill to know it's dangerous.. it just is..or rather.. it is an aggravating factor that effects any other tasks you are doing.. the hill thing was just an example.. don't take it and run.. I'm sure every problem on your tractor wasn't on a hill.. again.. i just used it as an example. I think the 'danger assesment' thing is just something that eventually develops with some corelation of 'pucker factor' and seat time. I.E. there are probably things we all did as new tractor users, that, now, in retrospect, may cause significant pucker factor... because we NOW know how dangerous it was/is.. even though we didn't back then.. etc.
For instance.. you don't have to ask me if I'll ever where smooth soled shoes on my tractor again.. why?? cause my foot slipped off my clutch and i drove it of fthe front of my trailer once... Too many aggravating factors.. It was starting to rain.. i was in a hurry, shoes were hard sole/smooth, and tractor just got new tires... Wet smooth hard sole show slipped off the metal 'smooth-ish clutch pedal and let tractor lurch forward after I had just stopped on the trailer and was beginning to shut her down to start securing her. Took less than a second from lurch to me stomping the clutch anf brake.. but by that time she was alread pastt he front axle and resting onthe oil pan, nose of the tractor about 1" from my truck tail gate.. front tires fully over the front of the trrailer.. only king that kept her from going over at that point was the trailer jack post.. it bought me the 1/4 second i needed to re-clutch and brake... I got lucky that time... ( posted bout it here too.. )
In any case. think and say what you want about me.. as I said.. the intent of my post was your continued safety. If I was really here to make potshots and wiseass remarks.. i wouldn't be still here replying to you know.
Soundguy
jmc said:
While we're in agreement that it was a dangerous situation, I take offense at you inference that I am an incompetent boob in not being able to anticipate that this would happen. Your mechanical explanations, cocked load or differential traction, are not plausible to me. Nor is your vague explanation of "it just physics and geometry". You can't explain this phenomenon AFTER it happened yet you infer that I should have been able to anticipate it, and furthermore, that I habitually abuse my equipment.
On a related note, you have a vested interest in the quality of this message board. In particuliar, the Safety Forum is a helpful venue for, among other things, confessing to stunts that may benefit others from making the same mistake. Take the guy who posted his ASV on its nose. That did not make him look so favorable yet he was willing to make that sacrifice for the education of others. How much of that will happen if some wiseass takes potshots at people who try to be helpful?
That's some "tough love" for you, Soundguy.
