No problem. While I don't know for sure, I would assume that the 6.4 is the same. I can tell you that I pull loads regularly in the 10-12k range with my 05 F250 powerstroke and am amazed how well this truck handles the loads. It has the integrated factory brake controller. With the combination of the brake controller and torqueshift, the truck handles great. Most of the time going down grades I barely have to use the breaks. Also, I had a guy pull out in front of me on a two lane hwy last fall. I was going 55 with a pretty good load and am still amazed at how quick and controlled I was able to slow the load down.
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No problem. While I don't know for sure, I would assume that the 6.4 is the same. I can tell you that I pull loads regularly in the 10-12k range with my 05 F250 powerstroke and am amazed how well this truck handles the loads. It has the integrated factory brake controller. With the combination of the brake controller and torqueshift, the truck handles great. Most of the time going down grades I barely have to use the breaks. Also, I had a guy pull out in front of me on a two lane hwy last fall. I was going 55 with a pretty good load and am still amazed at how quick and controlled I was able to slow the load down.
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I havn't yet seen the integrated controlers, I just got the plug in wire harness kit for my Hop controller from TSC and slappe dit in my 04 f250PS.. works good.
Does the integrated controller give you the same controlls.. like panic switch, onset speed, and brake power?
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Does the integrated controller give you the same controlls.. like panic switch, onset speed, and brake power?
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Soundguy,
Here's a pick I found online showing the factory controller. Its integrated into the dash.
I'm not familiar with any of the aftermarket controllers, but the ford factory brake controller is setup so that you can adjust the gain from 1-10 depending on how heavy the load. Also has a manual slide to manually apply trailer brakes. You can adjust your brake setting, then fully apply the brakes manually. If the trailer locks up your settings are too high and need to back it down a bit. This way you can set them up so that if you fully apply your trucks brakes, you get maximum trailer braking without locking them up. The harder you press the brakes in the truck, the harder the brakes are applied on the trailer as well. I'm assuming very similar to any aftermarket unit. Also has a green light when all connections are working properly, turns red and warns you if it detects a connection problem. (This can be a real PITA sometimes though since there's no way to turn it off - had to listen to my dash beep for 300 miles before having a chance to fix the problem, bad connection on one of the brakes)
jk
Here's a pick I found online showing the factory controller. Its integrated into the dash.
I'm not familiar with any of the aftermarket controllers, but the ford factory brake controller is setup so that you can adjust the gain from 1-10 depending on how heavy the load. Also has a manual slide to manually apply trailer brakes. You can adjust your brake setting, then fully apply the brakes manually. If the trailer locks up your settings are too high and need to back it down a bit. This way you can set them up so that if you fully apply your trucks brakes, you get maximum trailer braking without locking them up. The harder you press the brakes in the truck, the harder the brakes are applied on the trailer as well. I'm assuming very similar to any aftermarket unit. Also has a green light when all connections are working properly, turns red and warns you if it detects a connection problem. (This can be a real PITA sometimes though since there's no way to turn it off - had to listen to my dash beep for 300 miles before having a chance to fix the problem, bad connection on one of the brakes)
jk
patrick_g
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Soundguy said:
Soundguy, I too have the built in controller on my 2008 F-250 PSD It has a digital readout with +/- buttons to set braking power 1..10 which needs to be adjusted for the load. Too high and you slide the tires and too low you don't get all the braking you might want. It has a slide control to apply the trailer brakes manually from 0 to 100% by squeezing the traditional slide control between thumb and forefinger if you want trailer brakes without truck brakes.
I have the Tekonsha (sp?) unit on my Dodge with two control knobs to adjust the braking action and the slide switch to activate the brakes without using the truck brakes and think it is a terrific controller but the Fords built in seems to work just as good and I have had around 15Klbs on a tandem trailer behind the 2008 PSD F-250 and braking was good.
The main trouble I have with trailer brakes is forgetting to turn the brakes down after unloading and sliding them the first time I use the truck brakes, especially off road.
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OOPS... Sorry jk your reply wasn't showing when I made my post. Only difference I see is that my truck has the readout to the left instead of to the right. Otherwise looks the same.
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Egon
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Thermodynamics!
The engines are well designed to dispense heat. On backing off the accelerator boost is diminished, the air is cooled, then compressed but the efficiency of the engine cooling system means energy is being taken out of the system faster than is being added.This results in a net braking result with the result with a locked up transmission.
Hows that for a fellow who really does not understand thermodynamics.
The engines are well designed to dispense heat. On backing off the accelerator boost is diminished, the air is cooled, then compressed but the efficiency of the engine cooling system means energy is being taken out of the system faster than is being added.This results in a net braking result with the result with a locked up transmission.
Hows that for a fellow who really does not understand thermodynamics.
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If you have read the above post (or even if you didn't) you are not REQUIRED to read the redundantly quoted material between here and the end of the quoted section.
I'm sort of tentatively on board with your post, Egon.
Now please explain to me where the retarding force comes from.
I don't buy the high compression of the diesel. If the fire is out or small then the air being compressed gives back its energy on the "power" cycle. In coast mode, the pistons could just as well be compressing springs which would give back the energy stored in them on the down stroke. Friction of the moving parts is orders of magnitude less than the force we are trying to pin down.
So, the mystery is... Where does the retarding force come from?
Pat
Now start reading...Egon said:Thermodynamics!
The engines are well designed to dispense heat. On backing off the accelerator boost is diminished, the air is cooled, then compressed but the efficiency of the engine cooling system means energy is being taken out of the system faster than is being added.This results in a net braking result with the result with a locked up transmission.
Hows that for a fellow who really does not understand thermodynamics.
I'm sort of tentatively on board with your post, Egon.
Now please explain to me where the retarding force comes from.
I don't buy the high compression of the diesel. If the fire is out or small then the air being compressed gives back its energy on the "power" cycle. In coast mode, the pistons could just as well be compressing springs which would give back the energy stored in them on the down stroke. Friction of the moving parts is orders of magnitude less than the force we are trying to pin down.
So, the mystery is... Where does the retarding force come from?
Pat
Egon
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During the compression stroke the engine cooling system removes more heat than is generated by the compression stroke. That should mean there could be a retarding force?
Thermodynamics were just not my strong point; in other words I didn't have a clue!
Maybe there are some magnets involved??
Thermodynamics were just not my strong point; in other words I didn't have a clue!
Maybe there are some magnets involved??
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Egon said:
Have we found a solution to global warming???
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Nope. No no fuel is being injected or burned!
Now tell us what is GLOBAL WARMING and all about it. From what I've read about 6000 - 7000 years ago the temperature was higher than it it is now???
And maybe explain why the our entire solar system is getting warmer??
Now tell us what is GLOBAL WARMING and all about it. From what I've read about 6000 - 7000 years ago the temperature was higher than it it is now???
And maybe explain why the our entire solar system is getting warmer??
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patrick_g said:
Same here.. I'll be backing up the flatbed to the dock at the feed co-op to get loaded, and will find I can't get the trailer to back straight.. then i rememebr the brakes are on, and making one wheel catch int he gravel better than another and makes her turn one way or another..... guy at the dock must wonder why sometimes I back up perfectly straight, and then the next month i'm all over..
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