Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner?

   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #61  
I do have 3 phase 380volt at the rural cabin… it powers a very compact Siemens continuous flow hot water heater for 2.5 bathroom

Main heat is wood but the 380volt buzz saw is a monster.
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #62  
Wow...
It is almost 3 times cheaper than California.
I am paying $ 0.35/kwh
That is almost like comparing apples and oranges. SE Tennessee is some of the cheapest, California is the second most expensive after Hawaii. We have lots of old hydroelectric thanks to the TVA.
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #63  
Wow...
It is almost 3 times cheaper than California.
I am paying $ 0.35/kwh
You'll hate it here then.. And this is the increase from the last few years plus new solar going in everywhere. Use to be $38 and $0.072
 

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   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner?
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That is almost like comparing apples and oranges. SE Tennessee is some of the cheapest, California is the second most expensive after Hawaii. We have lots of old hydroelectric thanks to the TVA.
That is the reason so many Californian exodus to other states.

I wish too but I can't unfortunately.😥😥
JKK
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #65  
If I remember correctly it was a Gree? (sp?). Was it a Gree Flexx system?

I'm actually looking at installing a horizontal discharge inverter outdoor up on my 3rd floor. Kind of an experiment. Going to hook it up to a Carrier brand indoor air handler with no strip heat (can't run the electrical from the basement up to the attic for the strip). They tell me I will get 100% heating down to 5F OAT, and crossing fingers it does LOL. Apparently the advantage to this outdoor unit is it can be hooked up to any indoor air handler or coil (as long as it's using a TXV as a metering device). It's either that or replace what's there, heat pump and 80% gas furnace. Heck, even thinking about a Bosch system as we've had a pretty good track record with them and heat with them is very good.

You brother did it the right way IMO if he's running his whole house on ductless by using multiple outdoor units. Too many guys want to run everything off of one outdoor, and personally feel like it's a mistake for multiple reasons.
Yes, Mine is a Gree VRF. with matching AH.
Gree has come out with what they call Gree flex . While I haven't installed any, from what I've read, it works on the same principle as my unit. it doesn't require a communication wire and operates with any 24v T stat and T.stat wire. it will heat to neg 20-22 deg without any supplement heat as does mine.
While it doesn't get that cold here, since I've had mine installed, it has gotten down to 6 deg for a few days and you never would have known it didn't have any supplemental heat.

I haven't done any HVAC work since selling out several yrs ago, but I still like to keep up to date on new equipment and technology. It's amazing how far equipment has come since the old days....

I have a good friend that wanted a new system to replace his old conventional HP with something newer (inverter system) He was once in the HVAC business and gave it up to go into the chicken business. He now owns several chicken houses and grows out chickens LOL. Anyway, I told him I would install a Gree flex which uses the same size line set as his old unit. This was important as like you, his install was for upstairs and no way to replace the line set or add communication wire.
it's an ODU and matching AH.

I ordered it from the supply house, he picked it up and installed it himself
I spoke with him the other day and he says he loves the system.

My brother has worked for several of the manufactures over the years in some capacity.. Samsung, Gree, mitsubishi, Johnson controls, etc,.
Yeah, sometimes, he knows what he's doing. LOL...
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #66  
I bought some new mini-splits below wholesale on closeout. The least I've found for installation is $1,200 for a single head unit and after meeting the guy I wouldn't let him work for me free. I own the tools and have years experience but at 80 my get up and go has got up and left me with vertigo.
I haven't looked into new inverter centrals but not that long ago minis would heat at way colder temps.
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #67  
Yes, Mine is a Gree VRF. with matching AH.
Gree has come out with what they call Gree flex . While I haven't installed any, from what I've read, it works on the same principle as my unit. it doesn't require a communication wire and operates with any 24v T stat and T.stat wire. it will heat to neg 20-22 deg without any supplement heat as does mine.
While it doesn't get that cold here, since I've had mine installed, it has gotten down to 6 deg for a few days and you never would have known it didn't have any supplemental heat.

I haven't done any HVAC work since selling out several yrs ago, but I still like to keep up to date on new equipment and technology. It's amazing how far equipment has come since the old days....

I have a good friend that wanted a new system to replace his old conventional HP with something newer (inverter system) He was once in the HVAC business and gave it up to go into the chicken business. He now owns several chicken houses and grows out chickens LOL. Anyway, I told him I would install a Gree flex which uses the same size line set as his old unit. This was important as like you, his install was for upstairs and no way to replace the line set or add communication wire.
it's an ODU and matching AH.

I ordered it from the supply house, he picked it up and installed it himself
I spoke with him the other day and he says he loves the system.

My brother has worked for several of the manufactures over the years in some capacity.. Samsung, Gree, mitsubishi, Johnson controls, etc,.
Yeah, sometimes, he knows what he's doing. LOL...
Gree is a name new to me...

There was a time if it did not say Carrier I wanted no part of it but now the hospital has a number if different units mostly for the space leaded to Docs...

Looking at ditching my Windows 2000nt Johnson Controls M3 metasys control as the modules on the gas packs are giving me headaches...

I currently have 3 units with thermostats dropped in the return air ducts as a work around to failed modules.

Is Johnson still preferred for energy management?
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #68  
Gree is a name new to me...

There was a time if it did not say Carrier I wanted no part of it but now the hospital has a number if different units mostly for the space leaded to Docs...

Looking at ditching my Windows 2000nt Johnson Controls M3 metasys control as the modules on the gas packs are giving me headaches...

I currently have 3 units with thermostats dropped in the return air ducts as a work around to failed modules.

Is Johnson still preferred for energy management?
GREE Electric Appliances Inc. of Zhuhai, China, is the world's largest manufacturer of air conditioners. Through eight production bases in China, Vietnam, Pakistan and Brazil, GREE can produce up to 27 million residential and 2 million commercial air conditioners per year.
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #69  
GREE Electric Appliances Inc. of Zhuhai, China, is the world's largest manufacturer of air conditioners. Through eight production bases in China, Vietnam, Pakistan and Brazil, GREE can produce up to 27 million residential and 2 million commercial air conditioners per year.
What brands do they sell under?
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #70  
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #71  
A mini split is seldom a replacement for central air. Do not make the mistake of doing this.

Central air systems tie into the duct work that go to each room in your house, including bedrooms, bathrooms, basements, on multiple floors. A minisplit has a head on the other side of the wall where it was mounted.

These two things are not the same, and are seldom interchangeable.
Amen to that. We rented a condo in the keys that had mini split heat pumps instead of central air.

You had to make sure and leave every door open inside the place or the closed up room was like a sauna.

It had two units. One in a bedroom and the other in the living room.

We installed a mini split heat pump in our sun room on the last house we had.

It was a great investment since we could let the dogs out there while we were at work, and they could go in and out through the doggy door.

The mini split was replacing a window unit air conditioner.
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #72  
Just received a 24k quote to replace a 12 year old 5 ton Rheem Heat Pump and Air Handler with American Standard…

12 years ago the Rheem cost 13.5k

In 21 years this will be the third new install same Olympia WA home and my only heat pump experience is less than stellar as in 2 strikes now.

Home is all electric… so no gas option.

I’m 800 miles away so options are limited.

The Rheem was always in need of something and the dealer was good about it but sold out to a National Company and customer service went out the window…

In California with my gas furnaces I have some central near a hundred years old and many from the 50’s and 60’s trouble free.

My only central air is a 1993 Carrier and less than a $100 in parts in 30 years.

Heat Pumps promise a lot but come at a high cost… especially for a property that is currently a rental.

Maybe the answer is ditching the Heat Pump and go back to all electric furnace…?

The upstairs electric furnace is vintage 1978 and no issues…

I hear 10 to 15 years is typical heat pump life expectancy :-(
 
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   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #73  
Just received a 24k quote to replace a 12 year old 5 ton Rheem Heat Pump and Air Handler with American Standard…

12 years ago the Rheem cost 13.5k

In 21 years this will be the third new install same Olympia WA home and my only heat pump experience is less than stellar as in 2 strikes now.

Home is all electric… so no gas option.

I’m 800 miles away so options are limited.

The Rheem was always in need of something and the dealer was good about it but sold out to a National Company and customer service went out the window…

In California with my gas furnaces I have some central near a hundred years old and many from the 50’s and 60’s trouble free.

My only central air is a 1993 Carrier and less than a $100 in parts in 30 years.

Heat Pumps promise a lot but come at a high cost… especially for a property that is currently a rental.

Maybe the answer is ditching the Heat Pump and go back to all electric furnace…?

The upstairs electric furnace is vintage 1978 and no issues…

I hear 10 to 15 years is typical heat pump life expectancy :-(
But, if you could pay $4000-$5000 to replace it with a complete DIY solution, that 10-15yrs replacement now seems like a bargain..
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #74  
But, if you could pay $4000-$5000 to replace it with a complete DIY solution, that 10-15yrs replacement now seems like a bargain..
Distance is the problem...

I've installed several Tempstar Units in homes that had no previous central air in the 90's and except for the hot attics liked the work.

Maybe A/C is to expensive to justify in Western WA?
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #75  
Distance is the problem...

I've installed several Tempstar Units in homes that had no previous central air in the 90's and except for the hot attics liked the work.

Maybe A/C is to expensive to justify in Western WA?
Not sure of the weather in W. WA, but for the price savings, it would be worth 2 days of driving (round trip) for me. $24k is nuts..
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #76  
This has been my experience in northern Pennsylvania with ducted central A/C and ductless mini split systems. Different climates as well as individual preferences vary, so YMMV.

I considered ducted central air when I was building my house in 1979, until an incident in the office where I worked changed my mind. People started getting sick. When it got severe enough, the board of health was called in. They found the inside of the ductwork was covered with a half inch thick layer of green mold. Contractors were called in to clean & replace parts of it. I almost lost my lunch when one of the workers showed me a section of the duct he had removed.

Yeah, I know. Regular cleaning of the ductwork prevents this, but it was just more maintenance which I was trying to avoid. Instead, I skipped the A/C and installed a whole house fan. Since the nights are cool around here, that worked fine for over 30 years. When my wife developed allergies, we had to close the windows at night and use a window A/C unit.

When I retired in 2003, as a retirement present, I bought a Fujitsu mini split system, consisting of 2 compressors with 2 heads on each. The system worked flawlessly with absolutely 0 maintenance for 20 years.

In 2023, to take advantage of a rebate offer from our local power company, we decided to replace the older, less efficient system with a new mini split system which provides both A/C & heat. Our electric bill was reduced by just under 40% and the rebate program paid for half the installation cost.

At the same time, my sister in law began to have trouble with her 15 year-old ducted central air system. At first, it was just a musty smell but then the compressor quit. The cost to replace the compressor and clean the ducts was almost as much as the cost to put in a new mini split system with the rebate program factored in. She liked ours so much, she decided to switch to the mini split.

Now, a year later, she is very happy she switched. Her new system has 2 compressors with a total of 5 heads. She is better able to adjust temps in the various zones than she was with the old central air.

The only down side to mini splits is the heads can be unsightly in some places. The trick it to place them in out of the way locations such as these:

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Some complain about noise but I find it barely noticeable. My SIL says, the noise is about the same as her old system.
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner?
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Some complain about noise but I find it barely noticeable. My SIL says, the noise is about the same as her old system.
The other reason I am so satisfied to install the mini split AC was because of noise.

It was a nightmare to hear loud noises from the heat pump whenever it turned on which is under the outside of the master bedroom window.

Compare the mini split AC which is 10 times quieter than the heat pump.

No more central AC (heat hump) in my house.😩😩
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #78  
The other reason I am so satisfied to install the mini split AC was because of noise.

It was a nightmare to hear loud noises from the heat pump whenever it turned on which is under the outside of the master bedroom window.

No more central AC (heat hump) in my house.😩😩
Then you're installing the wrong central H.P. Mine is as quiet as any mini split system out there and is ducted . All my duct is insulated outside, not inside
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #79  
Ya, mine is pretty quite as well. 3 ton centrally ducted with an air handler. Outside you barely hear the fan and compressor running, and you can't hear it running inside at all.. and it's attached to the foundation. Though I did mount it on real angle iron brackets with rubber isolator strips (5mm tailgate mat) between the wall and brackets, and isolator feet between the unit and the brackets.

The only vents you hear air from are the 2 closest to the plenum, as is pretty normal. My vents are not insulated as they help with heating/cooling the crawl space.
 
   / Have you ever thought about changing the central air conditioner? #80  
The other reason I am so satisfied to install the mini split AC was because of noise.

It was a nightmare to hear loud noises from the heat pump whenever it turned on which is under the outside of the master bedroom window.

Compare the mini split AC which is 10 times quieter than the heat pump.

No more central AC (heat hump) in my house.😩😩
Out of curiosity, how many indoor ductless heads do you have vs how many outdoor units?
FYI, NEVER place the condensing unit directly under the master bedroom window, even with a mini split ;) Even with a mini split, if you have a short line set run to the indoor head generally over the bed (generally 10' or less), it is possible sometimes to hear the refrigerant moving in the line set.

As Kenmac mentioned, newer condensing units are generally very quiet now in comparison to 10-15 year old models.

Had a issue with my dryer. First up, the thermistor. Nope, that's not it, then went to look for a relay board. What do you know, it appears that relay board is no longer made for that dryer. Thought to myself, well, I think it's about 10 years old, so I guess that might be right. Looked for the invoice, the dryer is only 6 years old! The $650 new dryer was delivered last night. I just know that if I couldn't get a part for my 12 year old HVAC system, I would be pissed, let alone 6 years old. What I can tell you from years of experience working in the HVAC trade, if there is ever a OEM proprietary part that you run the risk of not finding in the US, it's with a ductless mini split system.
 

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