Egon
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Moving and handling /placing are two quite different things. I move lots of stuff with my 7100 but sure can't handle it.
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Hay harvesting options for compact tractors.
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You're right, Mike. Baling is the limiting factor for a CUT. I cut hay (with a sickle bar mower) and rake it with my little Ferguson TO-20, which is the size of a CUT. But for baling, I use my Oliver 1550, which is much bigger (62 hp). If you're using a small mower and rake, a CUT could handle it.
But right now I'm looking for a nice, cheap, used mower conditioner. Once I get that, I won't use the Ferguson for cutting anymore, because the moco will be too big for it.
But right now I'm looking for a nice, cheap, used mower conditioner. Once I get that, I won't use the Ferguson for cutting anymore, because the moco will be too big for it.
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OK - y'all convinced me, a CUT of any size has no place around a "real" baler! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
A shame that no one out there seems to be addressing the issue through a consistent interface requirement. There seems to be something of a mismatch in the implement sizing and subsequent tractor requirements for a given production rate. In other words - if what I've heard here from the folks who been there and done that - (and if I may put words in their mouths) there seems no good reason why in theory a CUT can't harvest hay start to finish - it's just that in practice the existing balers are simply too large, too heavy, and take too much power to run - and are designed for a larger tractor.
On the other hand it appears that same larger-sized tractor - deemed large enough to be well-suited to the baler - is something of overkill for most of the rest of the same operation. Sure there are bigger moco's et al but they seem to be geared toward yet an even bigger operation - etc.,.
There are lines of small CUT-oriented hay harvest equipment that are all designed around the same size tractor soup to nuts - but they are very small. That leaves the otherwise very useful compromise big CUTS kind of dangling between unless you just accept having to have multiple tractors (not that that is necessarily a bad thing!).
As an FYI trivia note regarding dealer or mfg recommendations - NH still lists the 565 (square) baler and the 7 foot 472 haybine as acceptable implements for the (out of production?) 2120 CUTs. (and all the rest of the usual easier to run modestly-sized harvest implements.)
A shame that no one out there seems to be addressing the issue through a consistent interface requirement. There seems to be something of a mismatch in the implement sizing and subsequent tractor requirements for a given production rate. In other words - if what I've heard here from the folks who been there and done that - (and if I may put words in their mouths) there seems no good reason why in theory a CUT can't harvest hay start to finish - it's just that in practice the existing balers are simply too large, too heavy, and take too much power to run - and are designed for a larger tractor.
On the other hand it appears that same larger-sized tractor - deemed large enough to be well-suited to the baler - is something of overkill for most of the rest of the same operation. Sure there are bigger moco's et al but they seem to be geared toward yet an even bigger operation - etc.,.
There are lines of small CUT-oriented hay harvest equipment that are all designed around the same size tractor soup to nuts - but they are very small. That leaves the otherwise very useful compromise big CUTS kind of dangling between unless you just accept having to have multiple tractors (not that that is necessarily a bad thing!).
As an FYI trivia note regarding dealer or mfg recommendations - NH still lists the 565 (square) baler and the 7 foot 472 haybine as acceptable implements for the (out of production?) 2120 CUTs. (and all the rest of the usual easier to run modestly-sized harvest implements.)
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Cowboydoc,
At one time I thought you had started a thread where a friend of yours (maybe, maybe not) was baling with a CUT and tore the PTO out of the rearend. I was wondering if he got that fixed and whether Kubota actually covered the costs. We posted some pictures from a Kubota booklet showing an L4310 actually pulling a round baler (Hesson 530?) over a windrow...giving the impression of baling. We all decided then too that CUT's just aren't designed for baling but the picture could easily lead someone to believe it and try it otherwise. Do you remember this thread and what was the outcome?
At one time I thought you had started a thread where a friend of yours (maybe, maybe not) was baling with a CUT and tore the PTO out of the rearend. I was wondering if he got that fixed and whether Kubota actually covered the costs. We posted some pictures from a Kubota booklet showing an L4310 actually pulling a round baler (Hesson 530?) over a windrow...giving the impression of baling. We all decided then too that CUT's just aren't designed for baling but the picture could easily lead someone to believe it and try it otherwise. Do you remember this thread and what was the outcome?
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We do about 200 acres of commercial hay and we run a JD 13" moco hydra swing, model 34 IH crimper, JD model335 kicker, NH Model 638 Round baler and 2 side delivery rakes and an agco pto tedder. Here's the kicker, I have ran ALL this equipment with my old Kubota L3710 including the hydra swing. The drawbar weight on the moco is a little opressive and moisture needs to be below 12% or she labors, but the 3710 will do it. The JD335 kicker will oscillate the tractor somewhat in the bale eject cycle on hay, but very little on straw. I have just upgraded to a 3050HSTC and I feel confident that this unit will handle the equipment and be efficient to boot. In my opinion, you can't beat a hydro for forage harvesting. It is extremely easy to vary ground speed to control bale density as well as avoiding plugging the intake.
I'm probably going to get alot of flak for the above statements from a safety standpoint. However, I'm am the one operating the equipment and as long as I feel that the prime mover is capable of doing the job that is presented to it, I am comfortable in that situation.
I read the post about the pto tearout and maybe I'm gentle but I've never had any problems with the "bota 3710 and expect no problems with the 3050, but then I KNOW what a greasegun and a maintenance program is.
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I'm probably going to get alot of flak for the above statements from a safety standpoint. However, I'm am the one operating the equipment and as long as I feel that the prime mover is capable of doing the job that is presented to it, I am comfortable in that situation.
I read the post about the pto tearout and maybe I'm gentle but I've never had any problems with the "bota 3710 and expect no problems with the 3050, but then I KNOW what a greasegun and a maintenance program is.
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I don't doubt you can do it but like you said it's probably not very safe. I have run my square baler with the 4600 as well just to see how it did. It would run it but it sure jerked it around. I'm not so sure I'd even want to try and hook my moco to it though. I know I wouldn't want to hook a round baler to it. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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I agree with that. Last season with the 3710 and the NH638 I rolled 100+ rounds. We baleed in the excess of 2500 squares with just the 3710 as the prime mover. We also used a 906 International for the last two cuts. At this point, I was considering the largest Boomer TC45? but purchase a Kubota 3050 with a cab instead because of chaff on my sweaty neck. Besided the 3050 has a beer...I mean beverage holder.
The 335 Kicker does move the 3710 around, but it's not violent it kind of rocks it to and fro. I might include that a bale wagon was attached to the back of the baler and the kicker was disabled and delivery chute installed for most of the hay harvesting. For straw, we ran the kicker at about 5 angled over about 25'. On straw, the motion was not violent either. As far as the round baler, the 3710 had no trouble either develpoing a full bale, ejecting or transporting. My partner was actually amazed how well it handled the haying implements.
On moving rounds which I am doing now with the 3050, the 3710 required a counter weight (usually a box scraper) on the back to keep the wheels on the ground. The 3050 needs no weight on the back to maintain stability, however, I am going to install wheel weights before haying season.
The 13" Hydra swing is most assuredly a handfull for the 3710 and ground speed must be kept down to aviod overloading the engine. The tounge weight is quite a bit to say the least. I would not want to mow a hilly field but our land is as flat as a door. One thing that happened with low ground speed was that with the deflectors all the way down we had trouble getting a path of cut material suitable for raking. We followed with the Model 35 crimper running a full 540 to recrimp and develop the cut path for windrowing.
This haying season, I be posting some pictures on this site with the 3050 in action, in the field, using various haying implements. When we run straw and we are going to run rounds and squares in straw as we have contracted to do at least 170 acres, I'll try to get some pictures of bales in the air and hopefully don't blow the strings off.
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The 335 Kicker does move the 3710 around, but it's not violent it kind of rocks it to and fro. I might include that a bale wagon was attached to the back of the baler and the kicker was disabled and delivery chute installed for most of the hay harvesting. For straw, we ran the kicker at about 5 angled over about 25'. On straw, the motion was not violent either. As far as the round baler, the 3710 had no trouble either develpoing a full bale, ejecting or transporting. My partner was actually amazed how well it handled the haying implements.
On moving rounds which I am doing now with the 3050, the 3710 required a counter weight (usually a box scraper) on the back to keep the wheels on the ground. The 3050 needs no weight on the back to maintain stability, however, I am going to install wheel weights before haying season.
The 13" Hydra swing is most assuredly a handfull for the 3710 and ground speed must be kept down to aviod overloading the engine. The tounge weight is quite a bit to say the least. I would not want to mow a hilly field but our land is as flat as a door. One thing that happened with low ground speed was that with the deflectors all the way down we had trouble getting a path of cut material suitable for raking. We followed with the Model 35 crimper running a full 540 to recrimp and develop the cut path for windrowing.
This haying season, I be posting some pictures on this site with the 3050 in action, in the field, using various haying implements. When we run straw and we are going to run rounds and squares in straw as we have contracted to do at least 170 acres, I'll try to get some pictures of bales in the air and hopefully don't blow the strings off.
Daryl
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