HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck?

[gladehound]

Down hill all the way ???

Down hill and with a tail wind across the plains states my Jeep was towing my TT at 65mph getting 13 mpg

Going the other way I got 7 !!!

 

[sd455dan]

Unfair! You can't buy new pick-ups with a pre-emissions 5.9 Cummins anymore. If you could, I never would have started this thread. The 10+ year old 5.9 trucks that are for sale are going for super high prices for old vehicles with a lot of miles! Didn't want to get something that old but maybe I should be considering it.[/QUOTE


Well mine has been a good truck but not perfect.
since breaking 100K miles Have replaced a $50 water pump, the clutch master/slave cylinder, front brake pads and both front axle U joints
the Only item before 100 k - needed a new clutch fan-warrantied

Problem Items at about 125K miles window switch for passenger side needs replaced, Dash top has cracked (Badly), turn signal multi switch is acting up when switching between high and low beam- right power seat is stuck for some reason, truck needs to go in for recall replacement of those Takata air bags.

Like some people say the Ram trucks do have nickle and dime items go as they age over the years, But the entire drivetrain seems to be pretty darn bullet proof - mine has the NV5600 6 speed manual, mixed reports on the autos, including Ram doing a buy back on my nephews 2012 over an automatic trans problem.
The second 2012 he got with the G 56 6 speed was trouble free, but neither 2012 diesels got even close to the mileage of my early one. Nephews fiance bought a new 2016 gas Ram 2500 and it has been great so far, pretty good mileage and trouble free with good power.

It seems your needs are as others have said -right at the towing vs. empty and a payload point making it a hard choice as to what to buy.

1 thing you do get with a new truck is a full warranty.

Good Luck with whatever you end up with-

I hope it is (One of the Good Ones) regardless of New or Used Or Brand
-a trouble free truck that puts a smile on your face every time you drive it.

 

[Diamondpilot]

By "this" do you mean component size? because that seems to be the only advantage mentioned over an F150HD. Which would beg the question... has anyone who tows a lot with an F-150 burned out rear hubs, differentials, transmissions, transfer case? and if so, what were the circumstances?

I use mine hard and its just had a battery, a set of plugs, 2 sets of tires.

I did need a $83 fan speed control module but thats it.

Chris

 

[KennyG]

Down hill all the way ???

Michigan to Philadelphia and back.

 

[coobie]

Thanks coobie. That's the kind of info that is really helpful to know about. Do you know if that was an 8.8" or the 9.75" rear that you had? What type of towing and how often?

Not sure on the size of the rear end.My bumper pull 20 ft PJ (14,000 lbs)axles loaded 40hp Kioti tractor front end loader,5 ft brush hog and loaded tires to our cabin up north quite a bit.Haul 8,000 lbs of wood pellets.I believe the trailer weight is around 3,300 lbs empty.

 

[check]

All this back and forth seems to reinforce what most of usl thought to begin with - if you buy a truck mostly for towing and heavy hauling and drive a lot, get a 3/4 or 1 ton with a diesel. If you are a more normal user and run the truck unloaded a lot (and a lot of business owned trucks seem to run around empty most of the time) you will come out ahead in the long run with a gas truck because of the lower initial cost and low gas prices. With 3K miles on my ecoboost, I have only recorded about 300 towing miles. I may be on the low side but I don't think I'm that much of an exception. Also, for those who say their EB didn't get good mileage even unloaded, there must be something wrong. Mine recorded a hand calculated 21+ on the highway at over 75 mph with only 1000 miles on the clock. I expect better when its really broken in.

That is what I get with my 2016 F150 Supercrew with a 5.0 liter gas engine. So where is the "eco"?

 

[gladehound]

That is what I get with my 2016 F150 Supercrew with a 5.0 liter gas engine. So where is the "eco"?

The 5.0 coyote is already a slick engine internally and breaths really well. I would never expect the EcoBoost to do better than the 5.0 on the highway. Around town with a light touch it should do a little better and run more like a naturally aspirated v6. But there is never going to be a big difference because they are both moving the same truck.

The reason to get the EcoBoost is not for the Eco. It's for the boost! The EcoBoost has a lot more low end torque than the 5.0 and can probably pull a higher gear in many situations resulting in less shifting and more consistent speed on cruise control.

 

[gladehound]

Not sure on the size of the rear end.My bumper pull 20 ft PJ (14,000 lbs)axles loaded 40hp Kioti tractor front end loader,5 ft brush hog and loaded tires to our cabin up north quite a bit.Haul 8,000 lbs of wood pellets.I believe the trailer weight is around 3,300 lbs empty.

That's quite a bit more weight than I'll be moving regularly. My equipment trailer is 9,500 with my tractor and a bucket. I only move it about 30 miles a year. My TT is 6,600 gross and tow it several thousand miles a year. My boat is 4,000 and tow it about 1,000 miles a year.

With those weights you're definitely in 3/4 ton / 1 ton territory. With my weights I feel like I'm on the cusp (mostly due to frontal and side area of the TT and miles towed) of either an F150 with the HD springs, axle, and coolers or a 3/4 ton or 1 ton SRW. Either option will probably last many years without wearing out. The heavier trucks have a better chance of making my 200,000 mile target without drive line issues. But the heavier trucks are also more expensive up front in my area. My first choice is an F350 SRW short bed diesel if I can find one slightly used at a good price (still need to be able to park in the underground garage at work and it would be tight with a long bed).

 

[coobie]

That's quite a bit more weight than I'll be moving regularly. My equipment trailer is 9,500 with my tractor and a bucket. I only move it about 30 miles a year. My TT is 6,600 gross and tow it several thousand miles a year. My boat is 4,000 and tow it about 1,000 miles a year.

With those weights you're definitely in 3/4 ton / 1 ton territory. With my weights I feel like I'm on the cusp (mostly due to frontal and side area of the TT and miles towed) of either an F150 with the HD springs, axle, and coolers or a 3/4 ton or 1 ton SRW. Either option will probably last many years without wearing out. The heavier trucks have a better chance of making my 200,000 mile target without drive line issues. But the heavier trucks are also more expensive up front in my area. My first choice is an F350 SRW short bed diesel if I can find one slightly used at a good price (still need to be able to park in the underground garage at work and it would be tight with a long bed).

When pricing new trucks back in 2016 I considered and drove all of the big 3 Chevy Ford and Ram.Wife did not like the chevy so went with ford/Ram 1/2 & 3/4 tons.I was **** bent on the ford f150 in 1/2 super crew lariat with the 5.0 engine but bought a comparable Ram Laramie 3/4 ton 6.4 hemi engine 410 hp pretty much same options that I wanted for about same $$.No brainer went with the Ram..

 

[WilliamBos]

Unfair! You can't buy new pick-ups with a pre-emissions 5.9 Cummins anymore. If you could, I never would have started this thread. The 10+ year old 5.9 trucks that are for sale are going for super high prices for old vehicles with a lot of miles! Didn't want to get something that old but maybe I should be considering it.

Find a first gen or second gen, get an LMC catalogue and rebuild it from the ground up.