Heart Broken

   / Heart Broken #11  
I grew up with cars that had the battery mounted under the front floor. Between the salt and the battery acid the floors rotted out until you could see the road go by under your feet. You added some plywood then. They make them better now.
 
   / Heart Broken #12  
I live in central Texas and have had no rust problems on my Ford F150 - put 250k on it in 10 years when I decided to upgrade to an F250. Still looked and ran good.
I remember living in winter and rust on all the locals cars. When I was in Germany I let the local garage undercoat my new Dodge like they did the Germans. They steam cleaned the underside, dried it overnight on a rack with heat applied, then sprayed a tar like undercoat under and up the side of the doors as far as you wanted. It was a lot like spray in pickup liners we see today. I saw a lot of Mercedes with that coating halfway up the doors. Never had a problem with it rusting though.
 
   / Heart Broken #13  
Yeah, like others have said, its not just a Ford Problem. Of the big three, I can't say any given truck is better than another as far as rust goes. I've fought the rust in my current 2004 Dodge, and I doubt I've won the battle yet.
 
   / Heart Broken #14  
The rust is worse in the "rust belt" because of the salt applied to the roads combined with the freeze-thaw cycle during half the year. Down in Mississippi it rusts, but slowly. TThe freeze thaw cycle lets moisture get in, freeze and expand thus forcing stuff apart. Like when you leave a can of beer in the freezer and the top bulges or pops.
 
   / Heart Broken #15  
Its no particular brand. Here in the rust belt, the chemicals used to treat the roads and the sheer amount of salt used is the greatest threat to our vehicles. Liquid calcium chloride is extremely corrosive, even more that the typical NaCl brine.

The best thing to do is get under the vehicles each year, clean off the rust, use rust converter, a top coat and a good penetrating coating. I like Fluid Film. My 2004 was rust free when I traded it. It had no under-body rust at all, and the chassis was rust free and black. The only downfall is that FF makes dirt and dust stick to metal.

Unfortunatly I did not get a chance to do my new truck this year. So next summer I will be paying the price.
 
   / Heart Broken #16  
Fords of that vintage were not painted underneath. It was a primer paint job down there only. Like someone else said, ford was being cheap at the time. The door sill problem and third light problem are also common problems as well.

I will say that the ford super duty tranny is one nice tranny and very heavy duty inside. I've seen them all apart too.

Steve
 
   / Heart Broken #17  
Wow, no wonder collectors jump all over California cars. For the most part, we just do not see that(rust).

Is there no option but salt for the roads? I would guess it does not help the trees, streams etc net to the roads either?
 
   / Heart Broken #18  
Rock salt is the most economical and readily availible product. But its corrosive, not only to our cars, but also plant life and infrastructure as well. Many steel and concrete bridges suffer from corrosion related damage more than anything else. This is exacerbated by municipalities that spread salt for every storm, including a pre-treatment so that people that "need" to be on the road can be safe. Here in MA, we have this ridiculous budget issue where, if they don't use all or more of their allocated amount, they recieve less money the next year. Salt, being fairly expendable is then spread generously for even the slightest threat of adverse conditions under the guise of "safety".

Less corrosive alteratives are availble, but more expensive. Magic Salt is a regular rock salt treated with some kind of liquid byproduct from brewing beer. It supposedly increases the effectiveness and reduces the corrosivity.
 
   / Heart Broken #19  
add salt and you are gonna get rust.

I'm not downplaying the ops or any northern'ers issues.. but I find it hard to swallow when i see a northerner condemn a particular brand of vehicle for underbody rust, when they live in an area that puts down highly corrosive material on the road half the year???!?!?!?!
 
   / Heart Broken #20  
add salt and you are gonna get rust.

I'm not downplaying the ops or any northern'ers issues.. but I find it hard to swallow when i see a northerner condemn a particular brand of vehicle for underbody rust, when they live in an area that puts down highly corrosive material on the road half the year???!?!?!?!

The issue is, if your going to sell in this market, make it resistant to the environment your selling into. What you can get away with on a car in Florida wont fly here, nor anywhere where there is salt on the roads.

Case in point. Dad has a Lexus of the same vintage as my ford. There is no rust on that vehicle except for a single stone chip. I plan on fixing that for him when I get the time. That car has 100,000 more kilometers than the truck. Both vehicles were priced about the same at time of purchase too. It all has to do with the manufacturer spending the money to ensure the vehicle has the proper rust protection.

Here's another great thing ford cheaped out on... They didnt paint the driveshaft, probably to save $0.28/shaft. Now those same shafts are severely corroded, so corroded that they are popping off the balance weights. $75.00 for a rebalance and paint job. Just had to do that. Thankfully I know a guy who owns a driveline shop so I saved a bit.
 

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