Heart Broken

   / Heart Broken #21  
The issue is, if your going to sell in this market, make it resistant to the environment your selling into. .

and so.. you are saying there needs to be some magical or mystical device that prevents a vehicle from coming into that market? or leaving that market?


in my search for a f350.. I turned down dozens as they were northern trucks, driven down here and sold.. or transferred down here, and had half the undercarriage, fender wells, and door panels eaten off.

vehicles move inthe secondary market.

making a florida truck, and then it is sold or traded to michigan? and you can't blame the factory for not making it a northern truck.

if you live on a boat.. plan on seeing water at some point.

if you live in a tree.. plan on falling at some point

if you play with pigs, carry soap!

if you drive a vehicle in the north.. plan on fighting rust due to salt!
 
   / Heart Broken #22  
The best way I have found to prevent rust is to keep everything washed and oiled. They make a little pressurized metal sprayer (you pressurize it with your air compressor) that holds about a half gallon that works well for this task. I like to fill it half with used hydraulic oil, half diesel. Give the entire undercarriage, frame, inside the body work, etc a nice good misting every couple weeks in the winter after you wash it and it has dried.

Also, different vehicles are most certainly prone to rusting, it's not just the paint quality, but also galvanization and the quality of the metal itself. I had a '97 Toyota Tacoma (made in USA) that the frame rusted in half and it was recalled. I also have a '97 Toyota 4runner (made in Japan) that has had exactly the same life and there is hardly a spec of rust on the whole vehicle. Same with my wife's '91 Honda, very little rust. My '88 F-250 and my father's '99 F-250 are both eaten up pretty bad with rust (body and frame).
 
   / Heart Broken #23  
and so.. you are saying there needs to be some magical or mystical device that prevents a vehicle from coming into that market? or leaving that market?


in my search for a f350.. I turned down dozens as they were northern trucks, driven down here and sold.. or transferred down here, and had half the undercarriage, fender wells, and door panels eaten off.

vehicles move inthe secondary market.

making a florida truck, and then it is sold or traded to michigan? and you can't blame the factory for not making it a northern truck.

if you live on a boat.. plan on seeing water at some point.

if you live in a tree.. plan on falling at some point

if you play with pigs, carry soap!

if you drive a vehicle in the north.. plan on fighting rust due to salt!

Im talking selling new.. new man new... Both these $50,000 vehicles were bought new, from their respective dealers in this market. As such they should be protected from this environment. I couldnt care less about the used market .

A vehicle sold in the NEW market in Florida doesnt require the same level of anti-corrosion as one sold in Maine, although extra corrosion protection in Florida sure wouldt hurt. Companies that dont cheap out AND value their reputation like Lexus, apply sufficient corrosion protection for all the markets in North America. Building a vehicle for a southern market, and selling it NEW in a nothern one is just stupid and pisses customers like me off. So much so, I wont buy another ford, and Ive owned 4.

I suggest a google search of the ford forums, particularly specifying the 2000-2003 F150. Anybody who isnt in Arizona has basically the same issues. Rotten sills. Rotten doors. Rotten cab corners. Rusted and leaking exhaust headers. Rusted driveshafts.. Almost to a T. All these trucks suffer where ford cut corners to save money.

In my immediate family we have two vehicles, both basically the same age, both travel the same roads in the same conditions. One is rotten, and one, the one with WAY more miles isnt. The only difference here is manufacturer and company philosophy.Ford vs Lexus.


The ford in question's door bottoms began to blister at 75k. And still under warranty. It was "fixed" by the dealer however it was a half-assed job and is now blistered again. And lets not forget about the factory chrome that had rust pits at the same mileage. That went to the area rep. He denied it, under two grounds, one, he tried to blame the supplier (although these were factory parts) and two he chalked it up to "Environmental conditions". A complete cop-out.
 
   / Heart Broken #24  
The best way I have found to prevent rust is to keep everything washed and oiled. They make a little pressurized metal sprayer (you pressurize it with your air compressor) that holds about a half gallon that works well for this task. I like to fill it half with used hydraulic oil, half diesel. Give the entire undercarriage, frame, inside the body work, etc a nice good misting every couple weeks in the winter after you wash it and it has dried.

the fact you have to do it that often points to the fairly poor anti rust qualities that mix has. mind you it's still poluting the environment though.

better bet would be to clean and neutralize it.. then paint the undercarriage.

paint doesn't rust...
 
   / Heart Broken #25  
I was quoting crashz from page 2 post 18. For some reason it didnt show up and I cant get it back lol.


You are spot on with the performance enhancing additives to the road salt rotting out metal in a hurry. I am a fleet tech for a County DOT in NE Ohio. I have seen calcium and mag chloride rot out some stuff in as little as 5 years that you would have to see to believe. Allison MD3060 transmission cases, third members on 23k meritor rear axles rotted through till they leak oil through the casting on trucks as new as 07, loader buckets,axle housings,cylinder heads, exhaust manifolds, oil pans once a year. It actually makes the metal look like it is delaminating like weathered plywood. The metal actually swells and comes off in 1/4 inch thick hunks of scale, this is true for cast iron and steel. Aluminum just turns to sugar looking dust. Trust me, vehicles today are more corrosion resistant than those of 25 years ago. It is just as the corrosion protection has improved, the deicing materials have gotten much stronger. The benefit to these chemicals is not so much in cost savings with reduced salt usage and overtime as much as it is with lives saved due to faster burn off, longer road "holding time" and deicing to temperatures near zero rather than 16 F for straight salt.
 
   / Heart Broken #26  
The benefit to these chemicals is not so much in cost savings with reduced salt usage and overtime as much as it is with lives saved due to faster burn off, longer road "holding time" and deicing to temperatures near zero rather than 16 F for straight salt.

I personally think they need to all but quit salting the roads, except in the worst ice/etc. The state/municipalities are so worried about "protecting" people from themselves they spend countless tax dollars on something that isn't really necessary. Big ice storm, yeah put down some salt. A few inches of snow, just let people learn to drive. And if people are driving so fast they are getting killed, well.... I also think they should only plow if it gets deeper than 8-10", otherwise let people figure it out or stay home. I'd much rather drive in deep snow or a good snow pack than a sheet of ice as a result of repeated scraping. People got by just fine 50-60 years ago...
 
   / Heart Broken #27  
1967, I bought a ne Dodge Monaco in San Jose Ca. About 3 months later, I was transferred to Boca Raton Fl. Of course the Dodge had no undercoating, and very frankly I never thought about it. Just due to the salt air living a few miles from the beach, at 50K miles, the body was completely rusted until I had to junk it.
 
   / Heart Broken #28  
My '96 ram was doing pretty good up until about 3 years ago, now it is deteriorating quickly. I think a lot has to do with moving out here to living on a gravel road. No mud flaps and now the truck is rusting right about 1 foot behind the tires on all 4 corners. Next time I will get mud flaps.

As far as regions go, I remember reading that of the 3 or 4 plants that built the rams in that year, only one e-coated the frame- I believe it was St. Louis.
 
   / Heart Broken #29  
Around here every brand suffers yet only one company, Toyota, stepped up and replaced frames on their trucks. No other company I know of would do that on a 10 year old truck. The fact that I have a 12 year old Tundra with a brand new frame that cost me less than $1000 is enough to sell me on being a loyal customer for a very long time.
 
   / Heart Broken #30  
they can do that since the NTSB only fines them a paltry 17 mil for hiding defects.. that's a drop inthe bucket on a 43b income they have.
 

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