Heart Healthy Eating

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Anyone see or read the recent study that determined that eating fried foods had no correlation to heart health. Can someone explain what their definition of healthy is?

HS

Ok I looked this up. First, if its the same one, its a European-Meditarranian study. 1. They used olive or sunflower oil and not lard or vegetable oil. 2. Most of the frying was of fish and not chicken or french fries. 3. they did not reuse any of the oils which looms large. The study was culminated in 2004 which means other studies since then could effect this study. Basically it was not a study that parallels the American way of the fried food eating habits so your heading sentence can be misleading and misinterpreted if indeed you are referring to this European study..

 

[dmccarty]

Anyone see or read the recent study that determined that eating fried foods had no correlation to heart health. Can someone explain what their definition of healthy is?

HS

What works for you.

I have a family member who is very morbidly obese. They are married to a person that is thin as a rail yet they eat the same foods. The thinner person certainly gets a bit of more exercise compared to the other spouse but not enough to justify the size difference. These two used to get up every morning and get a Big Gulp for breakfast. They would have multiple Big Gulps during the day and I am not talking sugar free. I figured out once that they got much more than their daily calorie requirement just in the sugar in the soda. Then of course they ate junk food all day. One is fat and the other is not. Genetics.

There was a story in the WSJ in the last week or so about MD's needing to pay more attention to a patient's family history regarding heart attacks. Genetics matter. The study they mention could give one the odds of having a heart attack at a given age depending on family history. My family, on both sides, live into their 80's and 90's, going back to my great grand parents. The study said that if your close family did not have a heart attack before the age of 60 you do not have to worry about having one. My family has other health issues but heart attack is not an issue.

I don't take the family genetics to mean I can drink a half dozen Big Gulps a day though. Makes me sick thinking about it. I am loosing weight, modifying my diet to be what I think is healthier, and getting even more exercise. But if tomorrow the cafe has that Cinnamon bun I have wanted all week, I might eat it without feeling much guilt.

Later,
Dan

 

[pacerron]

What works for you.

. These two used to get up every morning and get a Big Gulp for breakfast. They would have multiple Big Gulps during the day and I am not talking sugar free. I figured out once that they got much more than their daily calorie requirement just in the sugar in the soda.
Later,
Dan

Soda, soda, soda.... My wife was plagued by extremely high Cholesterol values for many years. Taking statins didn't help much. She always had 1 can of soda for lunch and some fruit juice for supper. She hated WATER and rarely
drank any, so the water her system acquired was from just what was in the food and the 2 drinks, one of which was carbonated, and both loaded with sugar. I finally convinced her to drink no pop or juice and drink water as a replacement plus at least 3 glasses of water per day for a month before her cholesterol test a couple years ago. Also no mayonaise for a week before. Her numbers were in the good normal range and have been ever since.
She has grown to like good, cold, untreated, water from our well and drinks jugs of it while enjoying her flower and garden work as well as at every meal.

So as the saying goes, "you are what you eat" plus "what you drink."

 

[houstonscott]

I for one have not seen it. Health to me is to be either free of or minimally affected by ailments that would undermine soundness and longevity of body and mind. Breaking your wrist for example is a minimal affectation of good health. Throat cancer is otherwise.

Most people I ask can't really answer. Your right though the only way to answer in the reverse. Healthy means not sick or injured. What I don't buy into is that eating some food that is labeled healthy over something else can't really be true. No food you eat can guarantee you will not get sick or injured. And converse of that eating fried foods is not a guarantee you will get sick. I don't believe they are connected at all.

HS

 

[txdon]

Houston Scott, I can answer your question after glancing at the article of the study. I'll be back on this evening with the answer. Till then don't eat fried foods. The way I read the story the title of the article should have been just the opposite. Media does that sometimes. Later.

 

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Most people I ask can't really answer. Your right though the only way to answer in the reverse. Healthy means not sick or injured. What I don't buy into is that eating some food that is labeled healthy over something else can't really be true. No food you eat can guarantee you will not get sick or injured. And converse of that eating fried foods is not a guarantee you will get sick. I don't believe they are connected at all.

HS

You raise a pertinent point Houston. First there is the labeling of food by manufacturers that state "healthy" but are really not. Certainly one must take their pronouncement with a grain of salt as with the example you gave. Secondly there is genetics. What effects one may not undermine another at all. Thirdly health experts speak in generalities. They make statement based on a consortium and not the individual. Your last sentence however can be dangerous as food can most certainly effect many individuals health. Personally, I do not think there is a thing on this earth that can make a person live longer. I do think there are plenty of things however that can shorten a persons natural life expectancy. Eating an abundance of fried fatty food and smoking and having a high stress life are examples of longevity stoppers for some if not most. A had a brother inlaw who smoked since he was 16, had a cholesterol count of almost 400 (genetics), ate fast food every day and his job entailed fixing giant printing presses all over the world. He died at 33 years of age from a massive coronary. Had he not smoked, been aware of his genetic problem of over production of cholesterol, ate a better diet and perhaps, he could of kept his job and still be alive today.

 

[beppington]

Anyone see or read the recent study that determined that eating fried foods had no correlation to heart health. Can someone explain what their definition of healthy is?

HS

I think my definition of healthy would be something like:

Feeling "good" (7 or higher on a 1 to 10 scale) with the expectation of living relatively pain free (pain on the order of 3 or lower on a 1 to 10 scale) now & for the foreseeable future (no apparent end in sight for this state of being).

OK, now I'm going to go look up others' definitions of "healthy"

 

[dmccarty]

I think my definition of healthy would be something like:

Feeling "good" (7 or higher on a 1 to 10 scale) with the expectation of living relatively pain free (pain on the order of 3 or lower on a 1 to 10 scale) now & for the foreseeable future (no apparent end in sight for this state of being).

You must have a bad back, or had a bad back, to come up with that definition.

That is a good definition. :thumbsup:

Later,
Dan

 

[beppington]

You must have a bad back, or had a bad back, to come up with that definition.

No, no, not at all. I've always been very healthy. Just that, at 43, I'm trying to be reasonable :thumbsup: IOW prepared for some variance, some reduction in the 9+ I've lived with most of my life so far ... IOOW not keep my hopes up too high

 

[pacerron]

No, no, not at all. I've always been very healthy. Just that, at 43, I'm trying to be reasonable :thumbsup: IOW prepared for some variance, some reduction in the 9+ I've lived with most of my life so far ... IOOW not keep my hopes up too high

By the time your 70 your definition and/or numbers will have to adjust