Heart Healthy Eating

   / Heart Healthy Eating #181  
In central Texas all the restaurants insist on bombarding veggies with fat, either bacon, butter or oils. Which restaurants do you go to?

What about meat? Are you on any statins?

I eat fish usually broiled...
I eat some red meat but not a lot...
No statins...
My current medicines include Meloxicam for arthritis with an addition of Glucosamine...
I also take Mycardis for blood pressure but it is in small dosage along with the Meloxicam...
Everything was normal for my blood work...
 
   / Heart Healthy Eating #182  
I went to a healthy shrimp website and the only food they could compare it to to sound even a bit heart healthy was eggs. It made me laugh. So if you want to consume it in "MODERATION" you will probably will just get a moderate heart attack. I really need to change the title of this thread to "Heart Healthy Eating for Preventing and Reversing Heart Disease". Every animal product advertiser wants to say how healthy their product is compared to another animal product instead of comparing them to plants when it comes to heart health.

Advertisers have a sales stake. They do not care about the stake they put in your heart. Speaking of which. I looked up lobster for you because I know you like it. Its fat content is nil and its cholesterol is more of the hdl variety. You could probably have it 2 or 3 times a year without consequence even if you are food sensitive in this way.

I ate nuts like crazy. Almonds are supposed to increase your hdl and lower your ldl. In my case my hdl did go up to 68 but my ldl came along with it. My ratio was just under 4 to 1. I gave up the nuts and my hdl went to 51 but my ldl dropped only 30 points and now my ratio is even worse at 4.5 to 1. My next lipid test is going to be patterned because I refuse to be driven nuts by everyone who says things are good for you.
 
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#183  
Don,
It would be interesting to know your TG/HDL ratio, your CRP after being off statins, and if you take daily aspirin?

I'm not off statins I'm on a low dose 20mg Simvistatin. When I wasn't on any, my LDL was 90, which is ok unless you have a cardiologist, then it has to be less than 70. My body is producing the cholesterol, I am not eating any, hence my heart disease. Some people when they eat a high fat/cholesterol meal their body compensates by producing less cholesterol, like my brother. I read an article a few days ago that said 30% of people have the gene like mine that food does not trigger a reduction in cholesterol production. That is why my cholesterol really spiked up to close to 400 after a DR. took my cholesterol 2 hours after I had a meal, this was 15 years ago. I did not understand what was going on then and blamed it on the McDonald's hamburger I had for lunch.


Egon, I know you are just mentioning the food you like but for those who look at the last page and see scallops with olive oil they may think it is heart healthy food from the title it is under. I just want to let them know not only that it is not but why it is not, and it's not my opinion but from a Dr. and studies.

Brin; hmmm, ignore the naysayers, your probably right, but it's hard when mis-information is given as fact and you know the fallacy, and you know others reading this thread may not catch the misinformation.

Arrow, Lobster was my last meat meal over a year ago, I did not enjoy it. Sometimes it's more of what you don't eat that can improve your health than what you eat. I did the almond thing too several months before my Heart attack.
The way HDL was explained to my by the Dr. is that HDL is the garbage truck that carries off the bad LDL. It makes sense that the HDL will go up and down with the LDL. My Cardiologist and Dr Esselstyn do not seem overly concerned about the HDL only the LDL and total cholesterol number that also includes the triglycerides calculation.

I want to thank everyone that has and is contributing to this thread. It is keeping me on my toes and encouraging continued research.
 
   / Heart Healthy Eating #184  
I'm not off statins I'm on a low dose 20mg Simvistatin. When I wasn't on any, my LDL was 90, which is ok unless you have a cardiologist, then it has to be less than 70. My body is producing the cholesterol, I am not eating any, hence my heart disease. Some people when they eat a high fat/cholesterol meal their body compensates by producing less cholesterol, like my brother. QUOTE]
Don,
The only reason I inquired about your TG/HDL, your CRP, and aspirin regimen is that many of the variations in heart disease described by "Arrow" previously
can be analyzed this way. With the type of diet and exercise you have adopted your TG should be very low and the ratio to HDL should probably be less than one. Less than 2 is considered good. Chronic inflamation which can be another factor in heart disease, as well as many others, is often tested by C-reactive-protein and treated with Statins, aspirin, or both. Your devotion to research, analysis, and recovery are very commendable and your in depth sharing of your experience with others may help save someone's life.
Ron
 
   / Heart Healthy Eating #185  
I'm not off statins I'm on a low dose 20mg Simvistatin. When I wasn't on any, my LDL was 90, which is ok unless you have a cardiologist, then it has to be less than 70. My body is producing the cholesterol, I am not eating any, hence my heart disease. Some people when they eat a high fat/cholesterol meal their body compensates by producing less cholesterol, like my brother. QUOTE]
Don,
The only reason I inquired about your TG/HDL, your CRP, and aspirin regimen is that many of the variations in heart disease described by "Arrow" previously
can be analyzed this way. With the type of diet and exercise you have adopted your TG should be very low and the ratio to HDL should probably be less than one. Less than 2 is considered good. Chronic inflamation which can be another factor in heart disease, as well as many others, is often tested by C-reactive-protein and treated with Statins, aspirin, or both. Your devotion to research, analysis, and recovery are very commendable and your in depth sharing of your experience with others may help save someone's life.
Ron

I agree wholeheartedly Don. It is you we should thank for your broaching a very misunderstood subject. When I watch shows like Swamp Loggers ( I wonder where they went?) and I see how these folks body types are and how they eat, I cringe at the thought that this very nice and salt of the earth group of people are on the verge of having some real serious health issues. Hopefully your post will indeed contribute to the well being of some very nice people here on TBN as well.
 
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#186  
With the type of diet and exercise you have adopted your TG should be very low and the ratio to HDL should probably be less than one. Less than 2 is considered good. Chronic inflamation which can be another factor in heart disease, as well as many others, is often tested by C-reactive-protein and treated with Statins, aspirin, or both. Your devotion to research, analysis, and recovery are very commendable and your in depth sharing of your experience with others may help save someone's life.
Ron


I'll ask about the C-reactive-protein. I don't think they normally test for it. Would the C-reactive protein be up from a knee injury?

Ron, I took a (fasting) drug store cholesterol test last week.
Total 152, HDL46, Trig.90, LDL 87, TC/HDL ratio 3.3, Glucose 96
My LDL was up 18 points at 87 ???? Since my eating is exactly the same it is something else, either:
1. The drugstore had a hard tome getting blood from the prick and had to use two plungers, and took a long time.
2. Inflammation, I injured my knee moving large rocks. Also doing less exercise because of knee.

The cardiologist is sending me to a lab tomorrow to rule out #1. If it is still over 70 I'll have to go back to the original statin dose till I figure this out.:confused:
 
   / Heart Healthy Eating #187  
I'll ask about the C-reactive-protein. I don't think they normally test for it. Would the C-reactive protein be up from a knee injury?

Ron, I took a (fasting) drug store cholesterol test last week.
Total 152, HDL46, Trig.90, LDL 87, TC/HDL ratio 3.3, Glucose 96
My LDL was up 18 points at 87 ???? Since my eating is exactly the same it is something else, either:
1. The drugstore had a hard tome getting blood from the prick and had to use two plungers, and took a long time.
2. Inflammation, I injured my knee moving large rocks. Also doing less exercise because of knee.

The cardiologist is sending me to a lab tomorrow to rule out #1. If it is still over 70 I'll have to go back to the original statin dose till I figure this out.:confused:

Don,
I can't answer your questions; there are too many variables.
The ratio I was interested in Trig/HDL=1.95 is pretty good by the numbers.
Knowing what it was before your heart attack in comparison would tell a lot more. This is an indication of the small sticky stuff "Arrow" was talking about that cuts loose all at once and does the damage.
But... they are only numbers and ratios that researchers define and change from time to time based on historical records and events. What is safe and right for you may be far different than the normal ranges.
You know as your HDL ( the good guy) goes up it improves the ratios.
A drugstore stick test might be reason to get further tests but it is a different test, different equipment, and different quality controls and procedures from your line that is being tracked by your cardiologist, so it may be a worthless fluke that is causing you undo stress.

There have been changes in your lifestyle/activity due to the knee injury.
You say you are eating exactly the same. Were you at a constant weight before moderating the exercise; have you gained weight recently; are you still drinking as much water now as you did before you moderated your activities? You are probably sweating less, so you may be drinking less without realizing it.
The main thing is to have a cardiologist that has experience and that you are confident in following his/her recommendations. In this information era of the internet you can diagnose yourself with anything and everything that all the other folks that are looking for answers to their problems have expounded upon on various forums.
You know that your problems are primarily related to cholesterol. Just as many folks with perfectly fine cholesterol numbers have heart attacks from other causes as "Arrow" alluded to before. A big one being stress both physical and mental.
I am not a doctor. Please continue following the direction of your doctors there on the front line. I do feel it is ok to question your doctors prognosis and draw them out a little bit. The doctors that spend 5 minutes with you for $1k and only know you by what they glance at on your chart a minute before opening the door are not following their oath.
 
   / Heart Healthy Eating #188  
Anyone see or read the recent study that determined that eating fried foods had no correlation to heart health. Can someone explain what their definition of healthy is?

HS
 
   / Heart Healthy Eating #189  
I'll ask about the C-reactive-protein. I don't think they normally test for it. Would the C-reactive protein be up from a knee injury?

Ron, I took a (fasting) drug store cholesterol test last week.
Total 152, HDL46, Trig.90, LDL 87, TC/HDL ratio 3.3, Glucose 96
My LDL was up 18 points at 87 ???? Since my eating is exactly the same it is something else, either:
1. The drugstore had a hard tome getting blood from the prick and had to use two plungers, and took a long time.
2. Inflammation, I injured my knee moving large rocks. Also doing less exercise because of knee.

The cardiologist is sending me to a lab tomorrow to rule out #1. If it is still over 70 I'll have to go back to the original statin dose till I figure this out.:confused:

Depends on when you got the injury. CPR comes and leaves very quickly unless of course you have a steady point of bodily inflammation such as arthritis.
 
   / Heart Healthy Eating #190  
Anyone see or read the recent study that determined that eating fried foods had no correlation to heart health. Can someone explain what their definition of healthy is?

HS

I for one have not seen it. Health to me is to be either free of or minimally affected by ailments that would undermine soundness and longevity of body and mind. Breaking your wrist for example is a minimal affectation of good health. Throat cancer is otherwise.
 

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