Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric

   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric #91  
Some thermostats control when aux heat can come on. Just turning it up doesnt always turn it on.

Yep, that is the answer. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

I looked at the thermostat and it has a switch position to turn on the emergency heat. Just turning on the heat pump, irregardless of the temperature setting, does not turn on the strips.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric #92  
I built my house in 1997, moved in in October. Until last fall 2012, when I went to geothermal, I used 7780 gallons of fuel for heat, at a cost of $13,600. When I started it was $.79 per gallon, I was heating my house for around $600/yr. In 2000 oil went over $1/gal. In 2005 it went over $2/gal, and was at $3/gal for most of 2007 and 2008. It hit $4/gas in 2012, the last I put in the tank.
I started burning pellets in 2001, but used less than a ton/yr the first 4 yrs. When oil hit $2/gal in 2005 I started burning pellets more, 1.5ton/yr from 2005-2007. In 2008 I changed to Harman XXV pellet stove, auto start and large ash pan, I started burning it constantly for my downstairs heat, oil only for upstairs. Since 2008 I burn 3 tons/yr pellets. 2008-2012 I used average 300 gal/season for upstairs heat at avg $951/yr. This year I burned no oil, so saved around $950 on oil cost as oil is about the same cost this year. However, my Jan electric bill was my highest ever, at $350 (very high for me), because we had a long cold spell and I was running on electric backup heat. I discovered since my thermostat was not properly set (by me), which contributed to it running on aux elecric more than it should have. I ran about 2000 KHW over my normal 3000 Kwh for Dec&Jan combined, so it costs me around $200 more in electric for those 2 months. But geo has saved me about $750 over the winter by not burning oil. There will be more savings over the year, as I use it in the summer to heat my water.
I installed my geothermal myself. I expect it to pay off in around 6 yrs if oil is at $3.50/gal, quicker if the price is higher, assuming pellet prices stay the same.
Since 2001 ive used 1134 bags of pellets at a cost of $5152. this is counting 41 bags I still have to burn for this year. the price of pellets has stayed rather constant, actually has gone down some lately.
My house in 16 yrs has used 225.8 Mwh of electric, costing $18,500, or on average 39 kwh/day costing on average $3.21/day, unless I messed up my math somewhere.
 
   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric #93  
Yep, that is the answer. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

I looked at the thermostat and it has a switch position to turn on the emergency heat. Just turning on the heat pump, irregardless of the temperature setting, does not turn on the strips.

Later,
Dan


There's also a breaker that turns it off. :laughing: One year I never turned on my downstairs AH breaker, since I burn pellets to heat the downstairs. My wife kept thinking there was a problem with the downstairs furnace not coming on..... :)
 
   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric #94  
We have propane for hot water, the fireplace,cooking and the grill. Oil is used for heat only. We used a Rennai, on demand water heater and a Budarus furnace. Both of which are top of the line and very efficient. What ever you choose, I advise you to look into foam insulation. We foamed our entire house when we built it 3 years ago, it was almost 2x the cost of fiberglass but the payback is probably 3 years or less. That is by far the best upgrade you can make. Our furnace uses about 120-130 gallons every 5-6 weeks in the coldest months. The house is a bit over 4k sf and set at 70*. Insulation and high quality windows are the key
 
   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric #95  
There's also a breaker that turns it off. :laughing: One year I never turned on my downstairs AH breaker, since I burn pellets to heat the downstairs. My wife kept thinking there was a problem with the downstairs furnace not coming on..... :)

You have to be careful. Depending on the size, amount of heat, brand, etc the blower has a high probability of being powered off the same breakler as the heat strips. Kill the breaker and the blower no longer runs.

paul
 
   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric #96  
You have to be careful. Depending on the size, amount of heat, brand, etc the blower has a high probability of being powered off the same breakler as the heat strips. Kill the breaker and the blower no longer runs.

paul


My heat strip is on a dedicated circuit.
 
   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric #97  
As to which energy choices are currently cheaper there are numerous calculators available online, for example:
Fuel Cost Comparison Calculator
Heating Fuel Cost Calculator - BuildingGreen.com
Fuel Comparison Calculator for Home Heating
Heatcalc, a Microsoft excel program
www.eia.gov/neic/experts/heatcalc.xls

While it is difficult to say what the situation will be like down the road, I would expect heating oil prices to increase the most--because of peak oil.

But the biggest point is that this house has not been build yet. With correct house design the house should need very little energy. Few people seem to be familiar with these techniques. For example:
Passive solar building design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
   / Heat: Fuel Oil vs Propane vs Electric
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As to which energy choices are currently cheaper there are numerous calculators available online, for example:
Fuel Cost Comparison Calculator
Heating Fuel Cost Calculator - BuildingGreen.com
Fuel Comparison Calculator for Home Heating
Heatcalc, a Microsoft excel program
www.eia.gov/neic/experts/heatcalc.xls

While it is difficult to say what the situation will be like down the road, I would expect heating oil prices to increase the most--because of peak oil.

But the biggest point is that this house has not been build yet. With correct house design the house should need very little energy. Few people seem to be familiar with these techniques. For example:
Passive solar building design - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I appreciate the links. I'm going to run some numbers on at least a couple. Your point about the houses not yet built is right. I know a guy thru one of my hobbies (antique woodworking tools) that works in the housing industry - spec'ing construction methods and then testing to ensure maximum energy use efficiency. He gave me a lot of good tips but he says the best bang for the buck is to build it tight and insulate properly. For our region, he recommends air source heat pump and a ~5kW grid tie solar array. I'm definitely going with the ASHPs and will add the solar when the budget will allow, either as part of the build or down the road when my bank account recovers. It's what he has in a 4,400 Sq Ft house and his TOTAL ANNUAL energy bill (after utility credits for excess solar generation) is ~$650. I'll be ecstatic if I can match that.
Charlie
 

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