HELP, 2210 PTO problems, need electrical scematic!

cadblaster01 · Apr 22, 2006

First of all I's like to say I'm Back! I lost my account password and it was attached to a now defunct email. so My post count gets reset. Oh well. I have been lurking from time to time, but now I have a real problem that I hope someone can help me with.

Yesterday I was moving the tractor around to put it back in the garage. I had to make a trip outside the fence line to retrieve a dog toy (long walk, no gate), and I decided I would go ahead and cut the grass outside the fence, but the PTO wouldn't engage. I pull the knob and nothing...A week earlier when I was mowing, it did the same thing, sort of. It didn't come on and then it did with a delay. It also cut out once while mowing, but came back on after cycling the knob. Now it won't come back on at all.

It seems like it's an electrical problem, but I don't have a service manual or a schematic to trace it out. The switch does still interlock to the safety system. If I have it engaged, the engine will stall if I get off the seat.

Also, I can't get the dash off without getting the steering wheel off, which I've been unable to do, any suggestions? It looks like it is only a press fit on a splined shaft, but I have not been able to knock it off, and I don't have the proper puller to do it, though I can get one if that's what it takes. Getting the dash off would help to trace the problem, unless I should be looking elsewhere.

Help, the grass is growing at an alarming rate! /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
I need to get this fixed!

cadblaster01 · Apr 22, 2006

Well, I just ordered the Tech manual for my 2210. I've been meaning to do it for some time, but Geez they charged $6+ to ship a CD by UPS ground.

Does the manual show wire routing for the electric PTO or just schematics?

BTW still trying to get the steering wheel off, anyone?

We're getting a ton of rain today, you can actually see the grass grow before your eyes. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

RalphVa · Apr 22, 2006

Are you sure you have the PTO selector in the right postion? I've tried to turn on the PTO to the rear and found I've had it in the front spot (usually put it there for putting the PTO on or for maintaining the rear implement, as you can turn the PTO by hand then).

If you have it in the right position, I'd then check those selector switches below that lever rather than tearing into the dash and removing the steering wheel first.

Ralph

jd110 · Apr 22, 2006

Have you looked at the fuses? The F2 fuse powers the pto switch. The turn signals are on the same fuse, so if they are working, the fuse is ok. The power flows from the key switch to the fuse. It then travels to the PTO switch. If the pto switch is off, it then travels to the transmission neutral switch. If the pto switch is on, then the current travels to the pto solenoid. If you have a test light, start checking for current along that path until you find the loss of current. If the current is getting all the way to the solenoid, then either the solenoid is defective or you have an internal problem in the clutch or drivetrain. As far as the steering wheel, back off the nut until it is flush with end of threads. then have someone hit the nut with a brass drift while you are pulling up on the wheel. It should pop loose.

ddivinia · Apr 22, 2006

I woudl check the PTO selector first.

Is the PTO engaged lit on the dash?

Will the tractor start with the PTO button pulled out?

D.

cadblaster01 · Apr 23, 2006

All I can say is it sounds like I'm in for some work. It's not the PTO selector, or the fuses. Those were the first things I checked.

JD110, I too thought about using your suggested method on the steering wheel, It just didn't seem like there was enough end play in the steering shaft. I'll definately give it a try though. BTW thanks for the wiring description, this'll make it easier to follow the path with the test light. So where should I be looking for the transmission neutral switch and the PTO solenoid?

I sure hope it's just a loose or broken wire down the line somewhere. I can only imagine what it would take to replace the solenoid. I'm sure it's in the most obscure location and probably requires massive dissassembly to gain access. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif I think I'm going to try looking at the JD parts site to see what the parts blow-ups can show me

mhalla · Apr 23, 2006

Unfortunately the Technical Manual doesn't say much more about removing the sterring wheel. Mike

Steering Wheel Removal and Installation

1. Remove steering wheel center cap.
2. Remove lock nut.
3. Remove steering wheel. If necessary, use a suitable puller.

Installation:

NOTE: Lubricate the steering shaft splines and taper with general purpose grease before installing steering wheel to allow easy removal.

1. Remove white center cap plastic retaining ring from steering wheel.
2. Install steering wheel and retain with nut. Tighten steering wheel nut to specification.
3. Install plastic retaining ring to steering wheel center cap.
4. Install center cap and retaining ring to steering wheel.

Specification:

Steering Wheel Nut . . . . . . . . 39 - 49 N•m (29 - 36 lb-ft)

cadblaster01 · Apr 23, 2006

Thanks mhalla.
Geez I hope the rest of the manual isn't that bad. It sounds like it was written by a software company. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I just tried several methods to get the steering wheel off with no luck. I doubt it was ever greased at the factory, or at the dealer if they were the ones to install it. I also looked at JD parts and there is a retaining ring up under the wheel, but that's probably for the rubber boot, or a bearing retainer.

There just isn't any end play in my steering shaft to hold it up and knock it down. I did try to "tap" on the steering wheel with a large ball peen to hopefully jar it loose, but I didn't want to damage the wheel either. Looks like if I ever want to get the wheel I gotta go find a decent hook-type puller set.

I ended up pulling the cover off just below the dash to get better access to the dash. I jumped the seat switch to I could run some traces. I didn't have to go farther than the PTO switch. I removed the connector and checked for power with the test light, one slot had power. I forgot to bring up my meter from the workshop to check the switch, so I reinstalled the connector to check for power to the other two wires. I got power on them, and I tested the system, and it works. For now it looks like it must have been a loose or dirty connection. If the problem persists, I get to start all over again.

JDFANATIC · Apr 23, 2006

cadblaster,

Isn't your machine under warranty? A dealer should be able to troubleshoot this rather quickly.

h20camper · Apr 24, 2006

Here is your schematic along with the PTO switch test procedure. The PTO circuit is actually very simple. If the keyswitch is in the On position, 12v + is supplied to the PTO switch (S5), it in turn supplies 12v + to the PTO solenoid (Y3).

h20camper · Apr 24, 2006

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deere_x475guy · Apr 25, 2006

My 2210 did the same thing after I had done some heavy brush cutting. Along the right side of the transaxle you will find several wires there is a connector...and unfortunately I can't remember exactly where on the right side the connector was. Anyway a stick or something had partially unplugged this connector. Sorry I wish I could help more but I don't have the 2210 anymore so I can't tell you I can send you a pic when I get home.

Here is the way I found it. Set your pto to run the rear or the mid pto (which ever one you are not using so you don't get hurt). Then have someone sit in the seat with the pto engaged. Start gently pulling and prodding with the wiring harnesses and hopefully you will get lucky like I did and find it. Mine quit in the field when I was 40 miles from home and no time to get it in for warranty.....although I wouldn't expect warranty to cover a stick unpluging a connector to be covered.

Good luck.

cadblaster01 · May 1, 2006

H20Camper, thanks for the schematic! It's been over a week now and I still haven't seen my Service Manual CD. I guess I need to check on it.

I did locate the problem, it was a loose wire on the pto switch. I sure was fearful that it was the PTO pressure relief solenoid valve.

BlueRidge · May 1, 2006

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There just isn't any end play in my steering shaft to hold it up and knock it down. I did try to "tap" on the steering wheel with a large ball peen to hopefully jar it loose, but I didn't want to damage the wheel either. Looks like if I ever want to get the wheel I gotta go find a decent hook-type puller set.
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PLEASE! Lay off the hammer, and get a puller. It's just not worth mangling your steering shaft or wheel!

Pullers aren't a high-precision tool - a cheapo will do the job for occasional use.

Harbor Freight, anyone?

cadblaster01 · May 2, 2006

Yea, my Service manual CD arrived today!
I haven't looked at it yet, and hopefully I won't have to use it anytime real soon either.

Blueridge, I only tapped on the steering wheel a little bit to see if a slight impact would break the hold. Trust me, I wasn't lookin' to do any damage, I didn't get that mad at it. I also used a punch on the shaft to avoid damaging the threads.

HF might be just the ticket for a puller. I'll have to stop by and see what they have.