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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Wouldn't the fuel from the gas station puchased a few weeks ago be OK for winter? It's probably 1/3 the new stuff. )</font>
If you are near Albany NY, then what you bought at the gas station recently is definitely okay for winter.
If you dip something like a clean dowel into the fuel tank, you'll see whether the diesel in there is gelling or not.
Tom.
If you are near Albany NY, then what you bought at the gas station recently is definitely okay for winter.
If you dip something like a clean dowel into the fuel tank, you'll see whether the diesel in there is gelling or not.
Tom.
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I would think that fuel would be 'good enough' at the temps you are talking. Only a few degrees below freezing.
I think you have other problems, beyond the fuel. But that remains to be seen.
Good luck.
I would think that fuel would be 'good enough' at the temps you are talking. Only a few degrees below freezing.
I think you have other problems, beyond the fuel. But that remains to be seen.
Good luck.
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Gerry100:
If the fuel is gelled, whch means it has turned to a waxy state, it will have to be warmed. The best way to do that is to pull the tractor if possible into a heated building.
Be careful using the plastic tarps that can be purchased at hardware stores etc. They will burst into flames faster than a blink on an eye from just one spark. I know from personal experience. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
It is possible that even with #1 fuel in the tank that the glow plugs will not start the engine. I have tried many times to start my tractor without plugging it in and it would not start. I would then plug it in for half an hour and it would start right up. In that case I think the oil is to thick to allow the engine to turn over fast enough to start. If by chance the wrong viscosity oil has been used in the crankcase that could be the problem. The solution is to some how get the tractor warmed up with out setting it on fire by accident.
I hate it when things like this happen. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
If the fuel is gelled, whch means it has turned to a waxy state, it will have to be warmed. The best way to do that is to pull the tractor if possible into a heated building.
Be careful using the plastic tarps that can be purchased at hardware stores etc. They will burst into flames faster than a blink on an eye from just one spark. I know from personal experience. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
It is possible that even with #1 fuel in the tank that the glow plugs will not start the engine. I have tried many times to start my tractor without plugging it in and it would not start. I would then plug it in for half an hour and it would start right up. In that case I think the oil is to thick to allow the engine to turn over fast enough to start. If by chance the wrong viscosity oil has been used in the crankcase that could be the problem. The solution is to some how get the tractor warmed up with out setting it on fire by accident.
I hate it when things like this happen. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Diesel_Boy
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hi there. try replacing the fuel filter. i have read where if there is the slightest water in it, it will definitely restrict fuel flow. one of the best things you can do is replace the fuel filter once a year right before it gets cold, right around oct/nov. the fuel may be fine, but if it can't get to the engine, it can't fire up. just my 2 cents worth. hope you can get it going.
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"A gentle and most brief shot of ether in the air intake works wonders. "
Not a good idea if the tractor has a heater element in the intake.
Since Gerry mentioned:
"Fuel is mostly from summer."
Odds are the fuel has gelled. I'd add an additive, but that won't help the fuel in the lines. Right now, he has to warm that engine...hot water would be good, if he can do that. He could light off a small fire outside his shed and melt snow (if any).
I'll wager Gerry won't make this mistake again!
Not a good idea if the tractor has a heater element in the intake.
Since Gerry mentioned:
"Fuel is mostly from summer."
Odds are the fuel has gelled. I'd add an additive, but that won't help the fuel in the lines. Right now, he has to warm that engine...hot water would be good, if he can do that. He could light off a small fire outside his shed and melt snow (if any).
I'll wager Gerry won't make this mistake again!
wushaw
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Since you are not getting any kind of smoke out of the exhaust then you are not getting any fuel to the combustion chamber.
Check filter, fuel shut off (if applies) and clogged tank.
You can also try loosening up a injector line (while cranking engine)at the injector to see if you really are not getting any fuel to injectors.
Check filter, fuel shut off (if applies) and clogged tank.
You can also try loosening up a injector line (while cranking engine)at the injector to see if you really are not getting any fuel to injectors.
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You could go to a 5W40 engine oil or maybe 5w30 get the first number down from 15w40, it will not be like molasses
on cold days, the engine will crank faster and build up compression quicker, you could give it very small whiff of ether but this can be big time trouble if you are not carefull with the amount of spray, if it is stored outside put a tarp over the engine when shut down for the night, it will help lower the windchill on the block...this assumes the fuel is not all gelled up...
on cold days, the engine will crank faster and build up compression quicker, you could give it very small whiff of ether but this can be big time trouble if you are not carefull with the amount of spray, if it is stored outside put a tarp over the engine when shut down for the night, it will help lower the windchill on the block...this assumes the fuel is not all gelled up...
At +20 degrees the fuel should not be gelled, even if it is summer fuel. However, if there is water in the fuel filter, it will definitely freeze and cause exactly the same problem--no fuel flow.
Has the fuel filter been changed lately? If not, at 300 hours, you will be doing yourself a favor by changing it. It could very well have enough water in it to cause the problem.
Has the fuel filter been changed lately? If not, at 300 hours, you will be doing yourself a favor by changing it. It could very well have enough water in it to cause the problem.
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If it is above 20 degrees, 9 times out of 10 it is a plugged fuel filter. Water, dirt, & etc. This fall we have had a shortage of diesel, & have had _very_ poor fuel quality, folks all across the country are having big issues with bad fuel, clogged filters.
Some newer designs are self-priming, most still need to be primed when you change the filter - or run out of fuel. Read that portion of your manual..... Tractor will _not_ start when you intoroduce air into the line until you bleed the lines......
If it is below 20, it is possible your fuel is gelled. There are products like Power Service brand that will let you use summer (#2) fuel. Or you can use #1 fuel. At your point, if you have mostly #2 in the system, you can buy another product, such as 911 by Power Service, that will soak itself in towards your fuel filter & through the lines. It does work, but is not a miricale worker for all situations. I would put the anti-gel stuff in now, let it work, and try to start it the following day. Changing the filter out also helps a lot for a gelled up system.
It's a toss-up what your problem is, gelled fuel or clogged filter, but the solution is to put in an anti-gel & change the filter, either way...... Dirty watery fuel is a serious problem this year.
I run the farm diesel's down to 5 or 10 below in this climate. This fall I goofed, put in an anti-gell anti-freeze, tractor died on me 10 minutes later. Replaced the filter, ran another 10 minutes & died. Turned out I got the wrong container of anti-freeze, got a gasoline only product, it lowered the flash point of the fuel and broke out the wax so it clumped on the filter. Drained the tank, filled with fresh #2 and Power Service, bled the lines (for the 3rd time, in a 15 degree shed...) and has run since.
It's easy toget messed up fuel.
Other remote possibilities are: Your tank is empty, your fuel shut-off selinoid isn't working, your glow plugs aren't working.
--->Paul
Some newer designs are self-priming, most still need to be primed when you change the filter - or run out of fuel. Read that portion of your manual..... Tractor will _not_ start when you intoroduce air into the line until you bleed the lines......
If it is below 20, it is possible your fuel is gelled. There are products like Power Service brand that will let you use summer (#2) fuel. Or you can use #1 fuel. At your point, if you have mostly #2 in the system, you can buy another product, such as 911 by Power Service, that will soak itself in towards your fuel filter & through the lines. It does work, but is not a miricale worker for all situations. I would put the anti-gel stuff in now, let it work, and try to start it the following day. Changing the filter out also helps a lot for a gelled up system.
It's a toss-up what your problem is, gelled fuel or clogged filter, but the solution is to put in an anti-gel & change the filter, either way...... Dirty watery fuel is a serious problem this year.
I run the farm diesel's down to 5 or 10 below in this climate. This fall I goofed, put in an anti-gell anti-freeze, tractor died on me 10 minutes later. Replaced the filter, ran another 10 minutes & died. Turned out I got the wrong container of anti-freeze, got a gasoline only product, it lowered the flash point of the fuel and broke out the wax so it clumped on the filter. Drained the tank, filled with fresh #2 and Power Service, bled the lines (for the 3rd time, in a 15 degree shed...) and has run since.
It's easy toget messed up fuel.
Other remote possibilities are: Your tank is empty, your fuel shut-off selinoid isn't working, your glow plugs aren't working.
--->Paul
