Help! I need legal advice re: easements

   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #271  
Mike, yes I understand it is confuseing. More precisely it is subject to interpretation. I dont want to confuse my situation with this strand. My easement is recorderded on ALL property owners deeds. 33' per owner or 66' total is the right to ingress and egress. The current width of the road is moot. This is done so should the road be paved, widened or utilities run there will be adequite room in the future. In my personal situation I dont buy without a complete survey to protect myself. Once a Blaze line is set that ends all boundry disputes. It seems many are stuck on ingress/egress and time lines. the time line thing is really a moot point. If my neighbors own a foreign sub compact now the 10' may be adequite for them. If they buy a dump truck or a motor home in the future it will not be. The purpose of a easement is clearly to be able to use it. Otherwise we would simply write the deed for a 10' easement not 33'. There is a express and implied warranty that If it is needed they have the right of way to it. In this case I dont see any one winning other than the grassy knoll which is obviously in need of court resolution. This fellow is just going to go out and buy a Bus so he "NEEDS" to widen the road. Theres been a Lot of toes stepped on and a LOT of side issues that apparently led to this case. I see a more valid complaint being, They cut the Timber and sold it for market value. The Timber was on a easement but is still my property, thus I am owed damages. You will not however recover triple damages because some one attempted to cut the trees down in the middle of the judicial process. But Its all good for our TBN hero as the other guy is just going to tee off the judge. I cant see the road from where I'm setting but I have never heard of a easement with a speed limit. Perhaps it is a insurance regulation but 7 Vs 15 mph is just NOT worth fighting about. Are speed bumps really neccessary ? Then there is the issue of the barn. This should have been surveyed by our hero at the time of his purchase and dealt with then. But hind sight is always 20/20. So I personally would get rid of the silly speed bumps and raise the limit to 15. This is silly stuff and ya gotta throw the dog a bone. Put the cheap mirrror up and do it for your own protection not his. Why ? The barn is on the easement. That is really our Heros problem not the other fellows. Putting the mirror up will at least limit his potential liability if the old codger gets really cagey, hits a speed bump, goes out of control and whacks the barn. LOL. Now our hero with have a suit with real meat for personal injury. I just see it going ad nauseum with no True resolution. I mean honestly, we are talking about 10' extra. I can honestly say from the firm we use there would be several thousand dollars invested at this point and I wouldnt want any insurance counselor handeling my affairs. They are only interested in keeping costs low. I do hope the best for our hero. This has already been very helpfull to me just to see every ones views on easements. Dave
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #272  
"Once a Blaze line is set that ends all boundry disputes. "

Dave, it would be nice if only that were the case. I know from past experience that is not necessarily the case in Michigan. The ONLY thing that can end "all boundary disputes" is a circuit court judge. Been that route a few times, and by the time it gets that far the judge is usually not happy with either/any of the parties involved. In northern Michigan we have a lot of people who have retired and moved up here for the peace and tranquility...and a place to keep their tractor (gotta keep this in line with tractors /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif). Unfortunately, every once in a while one of them becomes upset with a neighbor and calls in a surveyor. The neighbor doesn't like the line of the new survey, so they call in another surveyor who runs a slighlty different line, based off a different starting point than the first surveyor. The only thing left at this point is mediation (which the judge invariably requires), and if it isn't worked out there, the judges ruling. This was not fun, but very interesting. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #273  
Ok, well you got me on that one /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif But I think its as close as you can get. You have to admit the majority of boundry disputes arise from those who dont get surveys or only get boundry surveys and think the proprty line is the third tree on the left. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Dave
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #274  
Dave,
Helpfull to me too. I value all views and opinions, especially my own. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( This has already been very helpfull to me just to see every ones views on easements. )</font>

Unfortunate, and I think we agree all easements are unique to the plot and what is recorded in the deed. You said your neighbors have it recorded. Done deal. You would be surprised how many don't get easements recorded.

Rick,
Unfortunate that what is recorded at the courthouse can vary
too. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Hence your moving lines. Then what.

Speaking from experience here..... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

-Mike Z.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #275  
What suprises me me is how many people buy land with a easement and dont have a couselor over look the title work or even verify that it is recorded. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif In my neighborhood when we first got "organized" to set bi-laws it was a dissaster. Every one was POd at the other guy and every one thought they were right. It turns out that of 85 lot owners only 2 asked to see the deed restrictions BEFORE they bought. Dave
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #276  
I hope this is not a duplicate post as I have tried once already.

I started reading this last night and finished this morning. I found my mind wondering as to what I may do in your situation. Of course my first thoughts were centered around taking the law in my own hands /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, hiring some of the mills in the hills to come down and take care of business. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif And then I remembered my age, kids, wife, house, tractor to be...bla.bla.bla...

Something that has not been mentioned which I was thinking about may help. As many have mentioned you have a ready for prime time story here. You have exhausted all legal means to handle this with little movement considering the time involved. As I am sure is common in many areas we have a segment which runs on our local news called "5 On Your Side" where a reporter gets involved to try to resolve issues for heroes such as your self. Basically what that do is bring attention to the situation and people hate publicity if its not favorable. This would include our court system with politics. This may be one avenue to consider as it is free publicity which I am sure would put you in a favorable light, put pressure on the local government to get resolution.

Another possibility is your local newspaper. Hey everybody in the news/press business loves a good story and you have one my friend. Just from reading this looooooong thread you certainly appear to be a man with principle and patience..

Remember all of the casting extras here on TBN. Let us know if we can help with letters to the editor....

Best of Luck
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #277  
Dave.

You just *had* to throw by-laws into the mix. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Well, then, are by-laws incorporated into your deed?

What's in YOUR wallet?

Another sad fact of active community construction is the fact the declarant can change such by-laws "until the last" is sold.

Thusly, current owners, are unaware of the changes affecting their lot.

Nasty....

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #278  
Mdbarb: I'm sure you have all the legal help you need but for what it may be worth to others interested in this thread, I found the following on This website

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Lewis v. Young, 705 N.E.2d 649 (N.Y. 1998)
"Where the intention in granting an easement is to afford only a right of ingress and egress, it is the right of passage, and not any right in a physical passageway itself, that is granted to the easement holder. In the absence of an intent to provide otherwise, a landowner burdened by an express easement of ingress and egress may narrow it, cover it over, gate it or fence it off, so long as the easement holder’s right to passage is not impaired. As a matter of policy, affording the landowner this unilateral but limited right strikes a balance between the landowner’s right to use and enjoy his land and the easement holder’s right of ingress and egress.
" )</font>

What I was searching for was something that would clarify whether an easement holder has a right to "improve the easement" (i.e. make the road on the easement 20 feet wide vice 10 feet). I'm still looking for some case law clarifying that.....
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #279  
OK, I found another one on the Michigan Tech website:

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( "iv An easement holder not only has the right to use the easement, but to perform maintenance activities on the easement.
-The easement can be reasonably improved or altered, but not to such an extent that it alters the nature of the use. ( a dirt access road can be graded and graveled, but probably can't be paved, and certainly can't be converted into a 4 lane toll road.)" )</font>

Now, can it be converted to something between a dirt access road and a 4 lane toll road???? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #280  
<font color="blue"> Anyway now their lawyer sends this plan off to them in europe, we get rough estimate of costs and we check back in two weeks
Medical and psychiatric exams of them are scheduled. </font>

OK, so they can afford to take off to Europe (probably because you've "caused them so much suffering" /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif), but they act like you're destroying their lives. Did they by chance get their money because they spilled hot coffee on themselves? Psychiatric exams are definately in order for them, though /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif.

And I thought I had a big problem because one of my neighbors dogs killed one of my chickens and he got mad at me for calling animal control. (Most of his cost, BTW, was because the dog hadn't been registered in several years /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif).

Well, good luck, keep us posted, and you'll probably have the thread with the most views (and comments) on TBN /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2012 FORD F-550 SUPER DUTY XLT SERVICE TRUCK (A51406)
2012 FORD F-550...
2017 POLARIS RANGER 570 4X4 PROSTAR UTV (A51406)
2017 POLARIS...
2006 BOBCAT S130 SKID STEER (A52576)
2006 BOBCAT S130...
2016 Kia Optima Sedan (A48082)
2016 Kia Optima...
ASSET DESCRIPTIONS & CONDITION (A53426)
ASSET DESCRIPTIONS...
2023 JACTO JATAO-1000 LOT NUMBER 70 (A53084)
2023 JACTO...
 
Top