Buying Advice Help me choose between Kioti CK3510, NX 4510, or Kubota L3560

[jeff9366]

I ended up finding another Kioti NX4510 cab with hydro that has 300 hours. It doesn't have loaded tires.

Cabs weigh 500 - 600 pounds. To a certain extent cabs ballast like loaded rears, bearing in mind standard tractor weight distribution is 40% front, 60% rear, and cab is toward rear of tractor.

However, cab weight is HIGH.

 

[dlswhit]

Cabs weigh 500 - 600 pounds. To a certain extent cabs ballast like loaded rears, bearing in mind standard tractor weight distribution is 40% front, 60% rear, and cab is toward rear of tractor.

Yeah I was wondering how much weight I would carry in the FEL before the rear tires started to lift off the ground. I believe that loader is rated at 2700Lbs... One of the first things I'll be doing with it is spreading gravel to replace my failing paved driveway (after it's ripped up and hauled away by someone else) which is about 400ft long. I was wondering about the stability of it with a full load in the bucket without loaded tires. I have a chance to get the loaded while this machine is at the dealer over the next few days (as long as it checks out with the inspection) or I could always load the trires myself with WWF...

 

[jeff9366]

dlswhit

I was wondering how much weight I could carry in the FEL before the rear tires started to lift off the ground. I believe that loader is rated at 2700 pounds.

Kioti NX4510 - attachments
2014 - NX Series
Compact Utility tractor
Series next: Kioti NX5010

Loader:
Loader type: Kioti KL6010
Height (to pin): 108.3 inches [275 cm]
Clearance, dumped bucket: 82.7 inches [210 cm]
Dump reach: 19.7 inches [50 cm]
Dump angle: 66
Reach at ground: 70.9 inches [180 cm]
Rollback angle: 31
Breakout force (at pin): 3727 lbs [1690 kg]
Breakout force (bucket): 2990 lbs [1356 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 2761 lbs [1252 kg]
Bucket width: 72 inches [182 cm]
Raise time to height: 4.5 s
Bucket dump time: 4.1 s
Lowering time: 2.8 s
Rollback time: 3.0 s


I'll be spreading gravel to replace my failing paved driveway which is about 400ft long. I was wondering about the stability of it with a full load in the bucket without loaded tires. I have the opportunity to load rear tires while this machine is at the dealer over the next few days (as long as it checks out with the inspection) or I could always load the trires myself with WWF.

Counterbalance on the Three Point Hitch is your primary ballast for FEL work. Loaded rear tires are secondary.
Primary purpose for loaded rear tires is to increase traction when pulling ground contact implements.

I have owned three tractors. For my conditions, after careful consideration each time, I kept the tires filled only with air on all three tractors.

I normally carry a compact 600 pound implement on the Three Point Hitch, increasing to 900 pounds for near max lifts. If I foresee several max lifts, usually Oak tree trunks, I mount a 1,000 pound Disc Harrow. With the Disc cantilevered far to the rear it provides more effective ballast than its nominal 1,000 pound weight. My FEL lift capacity is 1,700 pounds.

You have not mentioned your tire type. I would be cautious about loading four ply R1/ag tires on a cab tractor for heavy FEL loads, especially on a previously owned tractor. I would have less concern with six ply R4/industrial tires.

 

[ishiboo]

dlswhit

I was wondering how much weight I could carry in the FEL before the rear tires started to lift off the ground. I believe that loader is rated at 2700 pounds.

Kioti NX4510 - attachments
2014 - NX Series
Compact Utility tractor
Series next: Kioti NX5010

Loader:
Loader type: Kioti KL6010
Height (to pin): 108.3 inches [275 cm]
Clearance, dumped bucket: 82.7 inches [210 cm]
Dump reach: 19.7 inches [50 cm]
Dump angle: 66
Reach at ground: 70.9 inches [180 cm]
Rollback angle: 31
Breakout force (at pin): 3727 lbs [1690 kg]
Breakout force (bucket): 2990 lbs [1356 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 2761 lbs [1252 kg]
Bucket width: 72 inches [182 cm]
Raise time to height: 4.5 s
Bucket dump time: 4.1 s
Lowering time: 2.8 s
Rollback time: 3.0 s


I'll be spreading gravel to replace my failing paved driveway which is about 400ft long. I was wondering about the stability of it with a full load in the bucket without loaded tires. I have the opportunity to load rear tires while this machine is at the dealer over the next few days (as long as it checks out with the inspection) or I could always load the trires myself with WWF.

Counterbalance on the Three Point Hitch is your primary ballast for FEL work. Loaded rear tires are secondary.
Primary purpose for loaded rear tires is to increase traction when pulling ground contact implements.

I have owned three tractors. For my conditions, after careful consideration each time, I kept the tires filled only with air on all three tractors.

I normally carry a compact 600 pound implement on the Three Point Hitch, increasing to 900 pounds for near max lifts. If I foresee several max lifts, usually Oak tree trunks, I mount a 1,000 pound Disc Harrow. With the Disc cantilevered far to the rear it provides more effective ballast than its nominal 1,000 pound weight. My FEL lift capacity is 1,700 pounds.

You have not mentioned your tire type. I would be cautious about loading four ply R1/ag tires on a cab tractor for heavy FEL loads, especially on a previously owned tractor. I would have less concern with six ply R4/industrial tires.

I have the NX6010 with R4s that are not loaded. The tractor is very stable with a bucket full, and in general. If I had to guess, I'd say somewhere around the 1800lb range @ 28" past pins the back tires start to pick up? I always try and have the box blade on for heavy loader work, but in compact quarters or if I only have a little bit of stuff to move, it has no problem moving bucketfulls of material.