I stumbled on this thread last week and read all the way through, many times laughing so hard I was about to cry. Oddly enough over the weekend my dad and I had to replace my hotwater heater, inlcuding the plumbing through the floor to the crawl space. I grabbed my flashlight and a couple of pipe wrenches and started in under the house. I stopped 2 feet in and told dad not to bother coming in, ( there were a few expletives involved in this exchange) as there was a 4 1/2 foot snake skin lying just inside the entrance. I was happy to see it as I know it is keeping the mice out of my house, but my dad is terrified of snakes. I found two more skins on the sill next to where I was taking the pluming apart. I know it's just a big Bull Snake, but I was keeping a watchful eye out for him. I like snakes, just not snake surprises. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif All in all things went fine. Project completed, no snake encounters and my dad didn't soil his shorts. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif